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 No.3229[View All]

Do not start threads just to ask a question; post your questions in a pre-existing thread instead.

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 No.3897

>>3896

>Not wanting to associate yourself with what you really think and do, out of fear of being shamed for it.

Speak for yourself.

Again I see imageboards as a source of information, not a place to organize. I don't know how you can equate someone who complains about things IRL online and then goes out into IRL and doesn't make his or her beliefs known with your idea that everyone has to be identifiable here. I see the purpose of an imageboard like this is to gather and share information, how you use it outside of the imageboard is up to you. Creating a circlejerk doesn't lead to anything in real life as much as anonymous posting does.

Though you didn't answer my post. From what I see, /fringe/ has little board dogma so can you explain what you see?


 No.3898

>>3892

>Giant rocks floating in the vastness of space. How could they influence anything? It's stupid.

I've always thought that. Can anyone who's into astrology explain how they think it works?

>thus, the moon landing is questionable. colonization of mars is pure idiocy

The achievements of conquering space don't depend on whether astrology is real. Even if Mars is just a big rock it would be a huge achievement to colonise it.

>>3896

>where every topic has been worked over so many times you can do it in your sleep, and still people show up expecting it to somehow be fun. If you really try it may be fun, in some bleak kind of way, and that's enough here because everyone is so bored

This isn't /b/, and chan culture is not /b/ culture. People don't come here to do the same thing over and over again like autistic children.

>I don't know how board cross linking works

>>>/arcane/311

>If you come online and rant about how you hate PC culture and then when you leave your computer you still follow the same PC culture, what was the point.

That is clearly a problem with IRL culture, not board culture. If anything it shows how liberating board culture is.


 No.3899

>ITT: redditors arguing why /fringe/chan should literally be reddit and people seriously debating them about it

This is a fucking imageboard, you jewish fucks.


 No.3900

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>>3896

Then the issue is not about board culture, it's about ad hominem.

Your whole post is null because you suck dick. Right?

Ad hominem will exist in very low level intelligence discussions regardless of medium. You can read Facebook comments uses ad hominem daily with their real name attached. With the political situation in my country, Facebook comments are slowly turning into typical /pol/-comments daily.

>I smell the rubbing hands.

>Oy vey, pure ((coincidence)).

The issue won't change because we change chan culture or go to Reddit.

>Reddit is shit > Tumblr is shit > 4chan is shit > ebaumsworld is shit > EA games is shit > Ubisoft is shit > Tor sites is shit > Private trackers are shit > etc.

Ad hominem is the problem, the common denominator of a debate when all arguments can't stand on their own and you are loosing the debate. This has been the standard response from before /b/.

>Shit, OP has a good point but I don't like it, resort to ad hominem quick!

That is why we recommend to follow the hierarchy of debate:

https://www.fringechan.org/Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg

If you can't into a debate, don't bother. If you're going in and you can't into a debate, stay on the lower levels of the hierarchy so we know who you are.

Disregarding how much I disagree with you, I won't act like a child to try and prove my point or change yours. At the end of this off topic debate that has been going for a couple of days, many people will learn something and many will not.

Also: you're now breathing manually and the game.


 No.3901

>>3895

If stretching and massaging don't work, you may have to meditate lying down. Maybe see a physiotherapist.


 No.3902

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 No.3903

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>>3848

>about names

We already have flags for that and since we have a great variety of them and not that big of a user base everyone can use their own. I've been using indigo pill flag since day one and I think that it serves as my name in this community. The only downside to it is that people may overlay the ideas they have about the flag on the person behind it.

I think that having some sort of individuality, whether by names or by flags is a good idea, but the options are already there - you can post with a name and with a flag, but few people use it. You can't really say "okay guys, from this day lets use names". Well… you can, but do you think that it will change anything?

Also, you are posting with an anonymous flag yourself.

>But then again. I caught myself on a thought - if you practice maybe you should keep silent about it?

Pretty much this. I practice a fair bit and have many experiences, but I'm often reluctant to speak about them. Most of the time it feels unnecessary to as they would only be blog posts.

>hey guys I did this meditation and that ritual and it made me contact some mage from another galaxy and we smoked some astral weed together, he's a cool bloke

While the stories and experiences could be really nice to read, there is not much point in them unless you seek guidance. Even then I'd be weary of revealing too much, mostly because of this whole "law of secrecy" thing.

>>3857

>worrying about not making mistakes

You really are something different :^)

Anyway, don't worry, even if you are well on your way you can and probably will still do mistakes. Both mundane and magical. Although of course I'm not certain about the mundane ones as people at some point tend to cut themselves off from mundane life. Also depends what you mean by mundane. Is it anything not magical or do you mean the daily grind that comes with living in society?

Also, it isn't as black and white as you might think, you can have a mundaneness in your life even if you are a magician (although most consider it as something unpleasant). You can also straight up live a mundane life by unmundane means.

>>3860

>The degenerate Judeo-Christian ritual magician kabbalist who believed himself to be the reincarnation of Eliphas Levi?

Whatever you might think about Crowley, he was very powerful and his legacy continues to this day. I think that is worth considering.

>Does this even need discussion?

If you think that he was a hack then you might find it worth it to join the discussion, if only to present your point of view.

You know your boy don't fuck with no Judeo-Christian stuff, but learning and understanding is a whole other matter.

>>3890

Tbh music was a gateway to the occult for me and I'm very particular about my music, which is not to say that I listen to only a couple of genres.

>what's your operative music?

Dark ambient, drone, hnoise and power electronics, breakcore, Coil. Less often some neofolk and black metal.

>what's your thoughts on death grips?

They've got some very nice albums but I don't really like them ever since they became the hottest /mu/ meme. They've got some nice lyrics, but tbh Clipping eats them for dinner when it comes to experimental hip-hop.

>>3894

>Human as; a human soul - yes, souls are defined to species

Depends on your definitions I guess. For me soul (atman) is uniform to… well, everything. Every living being has the same soul which is part (or rather which just is) the world soul (Brahman), but in this view soul is just your consciousness, totally passive and transcendental point of awareness. It operates on several bodies - physical, astral, mental.

>Evoke ENKI or any of the Gods of Sumer and inquire if you wish to learn more.

I had some very nice experiences with Inanna. She is great!

>>3898

>I've always thought that. Can anyone who's into astrology explain how they think it works?

Well, I don't really know that much on it, but I will try my best.

In Picatrix (the only serious astrological book I studied, although just in small part) the idea is that there are currents of some mystical force permeating the universe, and this forces can be used by the magician if they reach the Earth and the other planets have a great influence on these forces. It's like a cascade - forces flowing to Earth, but for example getting derailed by some planet and not reaching it with full force.

I don't know how it is supposed to work either.

In Hindu esoteric astrology (and in Western one too if I'm not mistaken) planets are Deities (or rather each planet has a Deity presiding over it) so it comes down to certain forces these entities represent.

So, from what I can tell - the universe is full of cosmic forces which can be accessed, but I don't really know the mechanics of it.


 No.3904

>>3902

Before opening the pic, the bottom looked like love live


 No.3905

>>3903

>soul (atman) is uniform to… well, everything. Every living being has the same soul which is part (or rather which just is) the world soul (Brahman), but in this view soul is just your consciousness, totally passive and transcendental point of awareness

How is it that Buddhists don't believe in atman? If you believe in reincarnation, which they do, you have to believe there is something like a soul. Is it just a matter of semantics?


 No.3906

>>3895

From my experience of the exact same thing during the 5th falun gong exercise, it seems to wear off after a few sessions if remain in position and endure it. This is also the recommended way to handle it in that method.

I know it may feel like the wrong thing to do and you may get a fear of hurting yourself if you meditate with cramps, but for me this solved it. Can't say how many times I went thru it but I think 5 - 10 before the cramps stopped.


 No.3907

>>3897

>/fringe/ has little board dogma so can you explain what you see?

I'll leave the /pol/ legacy behind because I think we already went through that.

There is something here which is very similar to how the mundane academic community functions. If we are talking about literature or science it's somewhat comparable.

Example one: there is a kind of elitism in literature circles where you're not allowed to like the things "commoners" like. For something considered "bad" to be accepted it needs some massive achievement. This usually goes for areas like science fiction/fantasy. Very few authors are being taken seriously. The ones I can think of right now are Terry Pratchett, he was given an OBE and was knighted for services to literature, J.K Rowling, got massively popular worldwide, same for George R.R Martin. Douglas Adams, wrote one groundbreaking book known world wide. Any less than this and you'll be overlooked for choosing to write "trash literature."

Example two: In science it's similar, you need to literally visit certain locations and present your ideas there during specific events where you're given 15 minutes in front of a crowd where you may if lucky find a person with influence in the field. Maybe, just maybe this will give you an opening for getting published, and this way you can get some attention. If you don't do this, your ideas will be discarded. If you haven't been published in the right places you don't exist. Having made discoveries doesn't matter in itself, having great innovative ideas doesn't matter either. Noone will look at them unless you can present the right references.. Something which you can get if you get involved in politics rather than science, which is what scammers do to spread crap.

What I see here is a an occult version of the same thing.

Talking about some old books written by someone who categorized some stuff but never really achieved anything, sure let's do that.

Talking of occultists who did some retarded things and got known for it (like Crowley), go on.

Post your own experiences and talk about your theory of why it worked the way it did.

>post evidence, where are the proofs?

>bullshit occultist, what book did you base this on?

>I haven't experienced this, it must be made up

>let's ignore this roleplayer and go back to talking about the failed ritual Crowley did by the lake

And this is the reason /fringe/ is standing still.

>inb4 why don't you go start your own forum/blog to talk about this

Already done that, and joined others. Now I'm here to remove what I consider blocking this community's development.

Do you see it?


 No.3908

>>3907

>Example one: there is a kind of elitism in literature circles where you're not allowed to like the things "commoners" like. For something considered "bad" to be accepted it needs some massive achievement. This usually goes for areas like science fiction/fantasy. Very few authors are being taken seriously. The ones I can think of right now are Terry Pratchett, he was given an OBE and was knighted for services to literature, J.K Rowling, got massively popular worldwide, same for George R.R Martin. Douglas Adams, wrote one groundbreaking book known world wide. Any less than this and you'll be overlooked for choosing to write "trash literature."

/lit/ hates all of those authors for being too mainstream


 No.3909

>>3905

Well, I don't really know much about Buddhism, so sadly I can't answer that, maybe Aunt Watermelon can help us :^)


 No.3910

>>3907

>there is a kind of elitism in literature circles where you're not allowed to like the things "commoners" like

Trash is popular, so it's only natural for people to assume that popular literature is trash - it usually is. The four authors you cite are all excellent at doing what they do, but their work does not have the artistic merit of 'elite' literature. Maybe GRRM does to an extent but he can also be cringeworthily bad.

>If you haven't been published in the right places you don't exist. Having made discoveries doesn't matter in itself, having great innovative ideas doesn't matter either. Noone will look at them unless you can present the right references.

Scientists are busy people with limited time to spend reading new material. They have to prioritise the material produced by respected writers, because that material is more likely to be good. They can't afford to read through reams of uneducated crap in the hope of finding a gem from an undiscovered genius.

>Talking about some old books written by someone who categorized some stuff but never really achieved anything, sure let's do that.

>Talking of occultists who did some retarded things and got known for it (like Crowley), go on.

>Post your own experiences and talk about your theory of why it worked the way it did.

>post evidence, where are the proofs?

>bullshit occultist, what book did you base this on?

>I haven't experienced this, it must be made up

>let's ignore this roleplayer and go back to talking about the failed ritual Crowley did by the lake

Absolute rubbish. I say once more that I simply don't recognise the picture you paint of /fringe/. We don't do any of the things you accuse us of.


 No.3911

Lads how do I join a monastic order?

Preferably one that's not judeo-semitic.


 No.3912

>>3910

>They have to prioritise the material produced by respected writers, because that material is more likely to be good.

And that's how things like this can happen

https://www.thelocal.it/20160207/nobel-secretary-general-resigns-over-macchiarini-row

http://blog.ethics-and-integrity.net/?p=666

Once you're "respected" you can get away with almost anything, this guy even with basically murder.


 No.3913

>>3907

>there is a kind of elitism in literature circles where you're not allowed to like the things "commoners" like

This kind of elitism exists everywhere and is usually because of the people who have no opinions of their own or feel very insecure about them. That is - the people who look down upon people liking such works. Once you tell them something like "yeah, I know that this work is not really the best in terms of workshop and it doesn't really bring anything new to the table but I personally like it" they tend to shut the fuck up.

The elitism has some good reasons too. When it comes to music for example, when someone listens to some very niche music, one that actually demands something from the listener and is not some easy going popular pulp then obviously those people will look down upon easy listening music. Those who are retarded will try to persuade others into not liking pop music, those who are not will listen to it occasionally themselves if they enjoy it.

>you need to literally visit certain locations and present your ideas there during specific events where you're given 15 minutes in front of a crowd where you may if lucky find a person with influence in the field. Maybe, just maybe this will give you an opening for getting published, and this way you can get some attention

Do you speak from personal experience? Because my personal experience says otherwise.

>>3910

>Absolute rubbish. I say once more that I simply don't recognise the picture you paint of /fringe/. We don't do any of the things you accuse us of.

This pretty much.


 No.3914

>>3905

Buddhists don't believe in a self, they consider the "self" as something that is ever changing and impermanent, they consider that conceiving of a self creates attachement to a sense of self and creates karma which leads to suffering.

The atman is sometimes called a no-self but that is defying the purpose of not puting labels upon a "self" in the prospect of not creating karma.

While there is "something" which incarnates, what hindus call the atman, that something is not labeled as a fundamental truth (as the hindus do) because just as the ego and the world of Form, it is considered as empty ungraspable and imparmanent, however subtle it's changes may be, however long it may seem to go on, it (or conceiving of it) is considered to belong to the world of Form and be just as empty as the oak tree in the garden.

So yes, there is an atman, but no, it is not part of the ultimate reality in buddhism like it is in many forms of hinduism. All things are empty in buddhism.


 No.3915

>>3900

Joke's on you, kid!

I always breathe manually.


 No.3916

>>3914

Wait so buddhists deny the existence of The All?

It sounds to me like they believe that Awareness exists but Will does not.


 No.3917

>>3916

The concept of emptyness is the core of buddhism, I'd suggest you read up on that, it'll answer most of your questions of "why don't buddhists believe in that".


 No.3918

>>3912

That doesn't change the fact that it makes sense to take someone's credentials into account when deciding whether they're worth spending time on. A system wherein everybody is treated equally regardless of their reputation would be totally dysfunctional.

>>3914

Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. It seems the differences between Hinduism and Buddhism over the atman are often misrepresented.


 No.3919

Lads seriously how do I join a monastic order.

Internet is full of bullshit and disinfo, I just want to take care of an orchard or garden and meditate all day.


 No.3920

>>3919

you could always go to china or some other asian country with them and ask to join.


 No.3921

>>3907

Thankfully /fringe/ isn't like the literary community or the scientific community since anyone can post anything and there aren't any politics you have to play since you are anonymous and you aren't judged by your reputation. If you know you're right about an experience then posts like the ones you list shouldn't bother you at all and they should be laughed at for shitposting near valuable information. If you get bothered by posts like that, then it's safe to say you failed the litmus test and are pretending to know something for some ulterior motive.


 No.3922

>>3919

Go to a nearby Buddhist group (a serious one run by monks, not a casual one) and practise with them. Then, after a while, ask about becoming a monk. I used to go to meditation sessions at a local monastery and I met some guys who were training to be monks.

>>3920

They have Buddhist monasteries in the West too.


 No.3923

>>3920

>>3922

I was considering just walking to a taoist temple and asking for admission but I'm afraid they'll just say ching chong no english white man.


 No.3924

>>3923

>I'm afraid they'll just say ching chong no english white man

Most religious groups eagerly welcome new members so I don't think they will. If they do, the worst that could happen is you'll be mildly embarrassed. Go for it.


 No.3925

>>3887

Use all your eyes to, at the same time, look into someone else's all eyes.


 No.3926

>>3845

No man is as trusted as the kings messenger.

Why even aspire to rule when your people would not know you?


 No.3927

>>3891

>>3892

Can someone shed more light onto this topic please?


 No.3928

>>3926

Not sure I quite get what you mean.

>>3927

Try to formulate question to shed more light on what are you trying to learn. And maybe someone will share his understanding that will bring you closer to~

***

Share books that are good. I recommend everyone read Eros and Magic in the Reneissance.


 No.3929

>>3928

Some say planets are alive, some say planets are just big chunks of rock. I want to know the thruth about them, what they really are, how they exactly influence certain things like making magic stronger when theyre closer, etc.


 No.3930

>>3923

>I was considering just walking to a taoist temple

Don't you think that it is an act of race treachery? Why would you want to abandon your own racial gnosis and not to continue the struggle knowing that there are many of brothers like you who kept fighting on.

Banish occult cuckoldry.

>>3929

I'm a newbie, but I'll share my thoughts. maybe more experienced magicians will add to this

Planets are principles. To learn about each of them read classical mythology and meditate/reflect on the idea. (You might also check Crowlean liber 777 to get the idea of correspondances. though you better make them on your own.) These principles influence 'our-rock', our soul. Principles - celestial objects - move thus we get different set of influences. And some times they might get into a conflict~

Ordinary human being is controlled by these influences. (and many others) Magician tries to counter-balance certain influences - by rituals, amulets, invocations, visualizations - to get full control over his micro-macro cosmic bonds.


 No.3931

>>3626

You're right, negative, positive, accumulating, distributing, male, female, these are qualities of gender and a planet or consciousness can be distinguished as male or female.

Tlww planets have many spirits don't confuse them and their gender with the planetary consciousness.


 No.3932

>>3931

>Tlww planets have many spirits don't confuse them and their gender with the planetary consciousness.

Could you expand on this? I've never heard of planets having multiple spirits before.

>>3930

>Principles - celestial objects - move thus we get different set of influences

The idea of these great principles effectively being incarnated in the physical planets is ridiculous to me. It's plausible in a Ptolemaic universe but now we know there are countless billions of planets and solar systems it seems archaically Earth-centric to imbue our neighbouring planets with so much significance.


 No.3933

>>3930

Race in my opinion is the base distinguishing clay that creates a man. Just being white doesn't make you superior, it merely gives you the ability to be superior. While all whites have the inherent ability to be superior most of them have wasted their potential, and in my view wasting great potential is a greater sin than any.


 No.3934

What are some rituals you can do to prepare yourself for nuclear hellfire?


 No.3935

>>3928

>Share books that are good. I recommend everyone read Eros and Magic in the Reneissance.

This is a topic for /library/ I think.


 No.3936

>>3934

Either be able to teleport or get the fuck away from nuclear targets.

Nuclear winter is a complete meme, the world would only become cold for about ~40 years.


 No.3937

Anyone else get a feeling like their energy is being disrupted when any part of their body gets near electrical devices?

My grandmother lived to 100+ years old and was always afraid of electrical devices, she had no radio, no phone, no microwave, used only a gas stove, avoided anything electrical as much as possible. She was in amazing health until she hit her 90's and had to move in with relatives to live, and they had a microwave and all sorts of electrical devices, her health started getting worse after she moved in with them.

Does the current of electricity disrupt our bodies' bio-electric fields?


 No.3938

Hello all, for the past few months I've been seeing the numbers 3 and 6 in many places. Like I'd look at the clock randomly and it's 3:33 or maybe I'm playing a game and the score is 666. It's been happening enough to be noticeable. I had been looking into Satanism for a bit on their meditations and ended up reading a lot on their page. Another funny thing is I was playing a game where random players can invade and kill you, so this player named Lilith joins my game and she just acts friendly and lets me win. Not too sure if it means much but it was bizarre to me. Is something trying to contact me? For better or for worse? Thank you for taking the time to read this.


 No.3939

>>3918

>A system wherein everybody is treated equally regardless of their reputation would be totally dysfunctional.

It would be fair and in line with the function of a normal capitalist market, instead of some quasi socialist system based on who you know rather than what you know, which is what we currently have.

In the end, suppressing knowledge is a futile effort, and when a system bearing large parts of society does this, it's putting large parts of society in the dark and misleading people - it's making mainstream society irrelevant and it will sooner or later have to be discarded by history. The losses will be great. Just like ancient greece failed, the roman empire failed, so will any society that walks this path of valuing politics over knowledge and free development.


 No.3940

>>3939

>A system wherein everybody is treated equally

>in line with the function of a normal capitalist market


 No.3941

>>3919

Learn thai and move to thailand, you also have to be debt free to join. That's all.

Or you can find some western group like hare krishna, at least in northern europe you'd have multiple options for locations.

If you're christian there are some places as well, you should ask your local church about this.


 No.3942

>>3940

>implying


 No.3943

>>3939

>>3942

Capitalism is jewish


 No.3944

>>3921

>posts like the ones you list shouldn't bother you at all and they should be laughed at for shitposting near valuable information

You're labeling a lot of posters as shitposters then. It's not about me being bothered by the shitposts as such, its the way it cripples the community when 75-90% of the replies are of that kind. I realize this may be my own overestimation of the /fringe/ population's experiences and openmindedness (talking of not only this board/site) but I'm still thinking there are lurkers who understand things better. I know, maybe the shitposters are jews wanting to cripple the community, just like you want to say. But the question then remains why so many regulars join them. I'm fighting uphill here and the whole discussion started by me saying I was giving up on /fringe/, I feel like the circle is more or less closed now. If someone can't become enlightened, why try helping them.


 No.3945

>>3943

Marxism is jewish.


 No.3946

>>3945

Yes it is.

Modern society in general is jewish, we sacrifice the world for convenience.




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