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Do not start threads just to ask a question; post your questions in a pre-existing thread instead.
where are my maners!
You shall have your wish only so long as you also help report any non-compliance with the global rules. If it becomes a problem it will be taken away.
What are some of you guy's experiences on summoning ET's?
Is it possible to make them work for me?
Depends on whom you wish to contact, and what your request is. What about summoning/evoking a Demon?
Can we have a thread where we revise the library?
Take in, take out, edit a few books and set up a reading order?
The idea was to have a thread per book of interest in the /library/ – making it easy for people to communicate, share and give feedback in a centralized manner.
I assume what you have in mind is more like a general overview. We could have a sticky for that, but it would require moderation. If this sounds like something you wish to do, then please contact me via Tox (http://tox.chat/)
no, a discussion with the community regarding what books to propagate, which not to, what to redact from certain books (stuff that can kill) and in which order they should be read to speed up learning.
For sure, by all means, start one. Lead by example. My advice would be to setup such a thread in the /library/, as its more associated with books, but ultimately its up to you. Its welcome in /fringe/ too.
will there be an effort taken to move everyone on a set date?
Smiley has not yet responded to anything regarding fringechan.org, and considering the best approach would be to lock up all the threads on 8ch.net/fringe we might have to take a different approach in pulling in the community. The demand for freedomboard is there, so we hope that within a reasonably short amount of time the migration will take place naturually. This will be accelerated the more quality posts will be placed on fringechan.
We are still trying to contact the existing mods on 8ch/fringe for cooperation.
will you guys still use 8chan's fringe?
The plan is to force the migration, so no, unless its about fringechan.org related matter/discussion.
How can one continue to be a believer in this supernatural stuff with atheist scientists and leaders debunking these truths left and right? I ask as not a troll, but a concerned spiritualist.
They are? Most top scientists are religious, maybe not by upbringing, but because they found God through their work.
Max Planck discovered God.
Science today is snailing towards a better understanding of the world, physics, as is, they formulate ideas already discussed to death in centuries old religions and tomes.
Psychology is a most faulty system of magic, and will reach no further without acknowledging that which they deny.
If you want to understand the science of and behind "Magic", learn the law of vibration.
Are you refering to any specific thing when you say it was debunked? Much of what I see is either the debunking of a scarecrow or falacious argumentation.
>atheist scientists and leaders debunking these truths left and right
Feel free to start a thread to that end.
>what books to propagate,
I personally have a few small libraries with select books I highly recommend listed >>>/library/1
>which not to,
unless it's blatant disinfo I wouldn't actually advise against restraining the availability of books
>what to redact from certain books
and I certainly would never censor books
>in which order they should be read to speed up learning.
sounds good, that's basically what I'm trying to do with my Neophyte's Gold mini-lib.
I do not plan on it.
Just cus some one claims to have debunked something does not mean it was true, done properly, or reasoned without fallacies.
There is lots of proofs around, it's just they are typically not accepted by the powers that be for rather obvious reasons. Quantum mechanics holds many of the answers, see also the videos at the bottom of >>>/fringe/2
I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness. - Max Planck
Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real. - Niels Bohr
These are very famous scientists. And of course you always have Tesla, a personal favorite, as well
My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists. - Nikola Tesla
Only the assistance of a field of force can account for the motions of bodies as observed, and its assumption dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are all attempts to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the existence of the ether and the indispensable function it plays in the phenomena. My second discovery was of a physical truth of the greatest importance. As I have searched the entire scientific record records in more than half a dozen languages for a long time without finding the least anticipation, I consider myself the original discoverer of this truth, with can be expressed by the following statement: There is no energy in matter other than that received by the environment. - Nikola Tesla
It's a real treat and insight into just how spiritual he was.
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I mean Greys and Reptilians.
He's trying to tell you one way.
You could also just frequently declare you will to meet them.
Does anyone know anything about mental time travel? When I reach an old age I'd like to send my consciousness back in time to my younger self and live life again in god mode, applying my elderly wisdom and future knowledge.
What should I read/do to be able to accomplish this? Anyone know?
To the board owner, there is a reason I don't use pictures in the question thread, and don't have a reply to the sticky; it means less scrolling to get past them and to the other threads.
You also need to make this board scale properly to 4k.
No. There should be a designated shitposting thread on /fringe/ itself but no board for it.
Where is /edgy/ and also you should ask the people of /4chon/ if they can have their board over here. It seems like this site could host /4chon/.
We should implement a custom CSS for Fringechan, I personally would like to design such a CSS, we also need to make me an admin and to add my janitors from 8chan back on here, and if possible we should import everything from 8chan's /fringe/ and I might decide to shutdown the 8chan board by locking everything and just putting redirects here if this place is better able to host everything… maybe… we'll see.
Are you going to import all the archived question threads from 8chan /fringe/ here as well? or at least have a list of links to each archive.is question thread?
>you must upload an image
Turn this off.
We should make some massive /fringe/ folder full of images for people to download btw so they have tens of thousands of well sorted images to pick from to post on here.
When getting high off music, am I spending my loosh to feel good, or increasing my loosh by feeling good? You'll probably answer the second is true (if the music is proper) but let me tell you why I'm not entirely sure:
1. I get higher off soulful music than most people I know, and it's a very hedonistic experience.
2. My hands always shake slightly all day and others pointed that out. It's something that addicts, alcoholics, gamblers have after overstimulating themselves with dopamine rushes.
3. After getting high off music for an hour I start to get tired from pleasure. I start to have a significant crash. I must be using up… something.
4. I can feel my energy body move rapidly under skin on my frontal lobe. Is it normal? I can't be feeling my neurons firing, right? In one place on the right hemisphere of frontal lobe I sometimes even feel a needle sting.
I'm going to read these texts and report what I find if I find anything. Until then, please comment. Also if you have something different that:
Music and the Power of Sound – Alain Daniélou
The Secret Power of Music – David Tame
The Inner Nature of Music and the Experience of Tone – Rudolf Steiner
The Occult Basis of Music – Rudolf Steiner
Outer Streams, Metaphysics of Music – Dr. Nelson Harrison
Wow, the autism, kill this retard, kill him with a swift knife incision to the neck.
I vote for a board free of retarded smileberg!
>not being immensely grateful for everything fringe wizard has accomplished
>implying u ain't a samefag
Hi guys, i'm really new to esoteric/wizardry things and i want to start my new way of life. (i'm 21 now)
I'm actually on a deep depression for about 1 year, was searching on the chan yday for something to change my life and found this.
I just want to ask, what's the first step that you guys recommend to me to get out of this depression? I fell so empty…
Also, i want to write a journal about my progression and maybe post it when i feel confortable, i'm trusting that if i walk this path my life will change :)
>inb4 tor and "this poster is not me!"
We know your ways kummy kenny.
Thanks for the loosh mundane.
lrn2RajaYoga and then you can operate upon your mental and physical bodies through the power of spirit (awareness and will)
See: Arcane Formulas, Raja Yoga, Personal Power, Void Meditation
lol butthurt sandnigger
What do you mean by operate on your physical bodies?
changing emotional states is pretty basic
What about The Kybalion for the first book?
Just read everything in the FAQ in the order suggested if indeed you are serious about this path.
I was just throwing out some stuff that might have the strongest effect in addressing your specific concern (depression).
Read Chasing Phantoms before you do that and prepare to get fucked over but also taken on a thrill ride of immense possibility.
Have you fixed your own depression with these methods?
I'm being serious. I tried to learn so many things my whole life but nothing already filled my soul yet. I think that this is what i need.
Also, the other guy above is not me
Is there any way at all for you to make this site scale to 4k?
I fixed my own depression via understanding the true metaphysics of the universe, bearing witness to miracles, advancing my own understanding and power in every way, and mastering control of sex-energy.
My depression began in the first place as a direct result of a lack of understanding and being impressed by the seeming authority of the materialists, being a nihilist, etc.
Now after years of study I can't take them seriously at all and I see where their scepticism falls short.
Anyways, although I fixed the original cause of my depression, all the years of depression left its imprint upon my body.
I am succeeding in eradicating that as well. The process is not finished but it's gaining momentum lately and hopefully very soon I will also have someone else working with me, so I can do all the stuff in magick that requires second person.
We're working on the CSS. Also taking the alpha'd Favicon too.
As far as importing more threads, we can't do it and keep images. Hence the limited manual import of the really good ones.
It's called an imageboard for a reason. They should at least put some thought and effort into in.
I agree. Let that retard post but don't give him any power.
>Does anyone know anything about mental time travel?
>When I reach an old age I'd like to send my consciousness back in time to my younger self and live life again in god mode, applying my elderly wisdom and future knowledge.
Why not just be(come) immortal?
>What should I read/do to be able to accomplish this? Anyone know?
The best offer is
Theoretically you could build some technological time-space bending device
But I think perhaps a better question would be, what is your actual goal here?
>When getting high off music, am I spending my loosh to feel good, or increasing my loosh by feeling good?
What you're doing is by resonating to a feeling you are taking in it's energy and it is flowing into/through your bodies. Now this is mostly the latter, however if you where feeling like shit before you may have used some to transmute/alchemize the other emotion into that.
>You'll probably answer the second is true (if the music is proper) but let me tell you why I'm not entirely sure:
>1. I get higher off soulful music than most people I know, and it's a very hedonistic experience.
Enjoying high vibration emotions is not necessarily hedonistic unless you make it your life's goal to simply bask in them and never grow or apply them.
>2. My hands always shake slightly all day and others pointed that out. It's something that addicts, alcoholics, gamblers have after overstimulating themselves with dopamine rushes.
This looks like, to me, an excess of energy, physical or meta, that has no where to go. Use your loosh for something, even if it's just the perfection of your temple.
>3. After getting high off music for an hour I start to get tired from pleasure. I start to have a significant crash. I must be using up… something.
In my experience, when I'm exposed to higher vibrations than I'm normally used to it has a tendency to make me "sleepy" but that's just because your only used to that level of consciousness while you're sleeping, it may also be in part because you're "working out" your energy bodies. Assuming it's not primary the latter, you simply just need to will yourself to be alert and awake, concentrate, observe, and take it all that is around you. That should help.
>4. I can feel my energy body move rapidly under skin on my frontal lobe. Is it normal?
Well feeling energy moving is (once you get more sensitive). As for in that specific location, I am unsure.
>I can't be feeling my neurons firing, right?
Not normally, but does not meas it's impossible.
>In one place on the right hemisphere of frontal lobe I sometimes even feel a needle sting.
>I'm going to read these texts and report what I find if I find anything.
Cool, feel free to write a book review or the like.
>Until then, please comment.
I've heard good things of Steiner but I have not personally read him, the others I don't know.
>Also if you have something different that
Well what is your goal? Also you may appreciate this:
>what's the first step that you guys recommend to me to get out of this depression? I fell so empty…
Stop looking outside your self to find what you need/want or otherwise fulfill/complete you, turn inward.
If you are depressed, you are living in the past. If you are anxious, you are living in the future. If you are at peace, you are living in the present. - Lao Tzu
can paimon influence somebody i know to love me?
which goetic demon is best for love?
>can paimon influence somebody i know to love me?
>which goetic demon is best for love?
Its best to avoid the geotic demons at your level of spiritual advancement. Improper use of a demon can cause trouble for yourself.
And using a entity to get someone to love you will not solve the issue.
It would be better for yourself to either:
#1 Learn magick and advance yourself and forget about that person.
#2 Create a basic sigil of finding your true soulmate and waiting for it to work.
If you decide to go upon the route you are choosing you may not get very desirable circumstances.
Goetica is not really my thing, but here's what I got.
I can't vouch for it, so just take it under consideration.
What do you guys think about Chaos Magick?
On one hand it covers the same basic principles of meditation, gnosis, sigils, servitors, etc.
On the other hand it's completely acceptable to summon Spock, Han Solo or Sonic the Hedgehog.
I have some knowledge of it.
Would it be productive if made a thread about it similar to the existing big text threads?
It's good for beginners, considering fictional characters are pretty much thoughtforms I see no wrong in trying to summon them, if I am wrong explain why
Chaos magick is actually the most subversive and powerful magic there is when it comes to physical reality. It's also the reason why many wizards quickly denounce it - because it's the path to absolute anarchy. Imagine what physical world would be like if people stopped romanticizing and mystifying spirituality, and realized The Rarest Pepe (god of ironic detachment) or Red Bull brand logo are more powerful gods than Jesus, Ra, whatever. I don't think it's going to happen though, because post-modernism didn't affect people to the core. It made people joke about everything, but it's just an act they put on to sell products. Deep down they're mundanely scared of their social image or Muslims blowing up. People don't fully embrace implications of meme theory, and perhaps it's good, because otherwise planes would crash with no survivors every day
It's actually not the case, and people denounce it not because of that, but because it's essentially just visualizing a preffered outcome and getting it and it stops there, people who know better move on to something more powerful
From what i read, it is encouraged from chaos books themselves to look for other systems after studying chaos.
There is even an exercise where you roll a dice to decide what you are going to belive that week.
So i suppose that, like >>82 said, it is good for begginers, probably better than hermeticism.
isn't hermeticism just philosophy?
>What do you guys think about Chaos Magick?
I think it's pretty good entry level magic. It allows for she shaping/sculpting of the world and the firsthand experience of what the mind can do, a taste of the Godhood inherent in every one.
>On one hand it covers the same basic principles of meditation, gnosis, sigils, servitors, etc.
Tools that are necessary to go deeper into the universal self and understand it.
>On the other hand it's completely acceptable to summon Spock, Han Solo or Sonic the Hedgehog.
Why would that be wrong in any way? Since all is mind, all is consciousness, their existence and reality just as tangible as your neighbor or Mr. T. And they have varying levels of power/awareness just like the
>I have some knowledge of it.
>Would it be productive if made a thread about it similar to the existing big text threads?
If you would like to share your wisdom, by all means feel free. Don't worry about it being super polished, tis the nature to evolve and be refined overtime, I would recommend you at least put some thought and time into researching and presenting the information, but as long as it's serious and earnest in nature anyone is welcome to contribute.
What is a philosophy? Well literally, it's the love of knowledge, but it's basically come to mean a collection of teachings, knowledge, or belief system regarding a thing (or all things). And given the fundamental (belief driven) nature of reality 'just a philosophy' has no substantive differences from saying 'just a school of magic' or 'just a modality of crafting the universe'
Image is Hermeticism in brief.
Hermeticism is more of a way at looking at magick. It takes a more scientific view with easily repeatable results.
Some common books are: Kybalion, Arcane Teachings, Arcane Formulas, and also a lot of books from Franz Bardon.
Hermentiscim could also be commonly associated with more 'armchair' wizards, but its really just how you use it.
Does God not influence your freewill, even slightly?
If I were to attempt to manifest success in business, would it not come through the influenced actions of others?
If so, what force influences another individual beyond my sight, besides God?
If not, would the change commence through my own influenced decisions and actions alone? Pic related.
>Does God not influence your freewill, even slightly?
Depends on what you mean by "God".
If you mean the ultimate creator of the universe, then we all are that being. It would be impossible for it to directly change our actions.
If you mean the monetheistic Yahweh, then indirecly yes.
>If I were to attempt to manifest success in business, would it not come through the influenced actions of others?
It depends on you intentions, the ritual and the entity you are work(if any).
Most of the times, for a generic "bring sucess" intention, you only manipulate your own actions the circuntances other people have to face to make decisions.(not directly their freewill)
For example on a clothing store, you could make yourself a better salesperson. Or on a restaurant the wind would be more likely to bring food smell to passerbys.
You don't manipualte the freewill of others unless you intentionaly try to.
>If so, what force influences another individual beyond my sight, besides God?
>If not, would the change commence through my own influenced decisions and actions alone? Pic related.
Any sentient being manifesting intent, even uncunciously, can manipulate freewill.
As i said earlier, usually all that is changed is your own actions and the circunstances
>old man in the sky type god
>Old man in the sky
Not exactly what I meant…
Something like one man's will (strong, defined) directly influencing the freewill of some others ( weak, scattered ) through the Universe / God / All / <your term here> - in ways outside of the man's physical decisions and actions. Things 'coming together' so that your affirmations and dreams can be lived.
Thanks for the response!
>Why not just be(come) immortal?
That sounds nice too. But I really like the idea of time travel. It's something I've wanted to do my entire life.
Thanks for the links!
>what is your actual goal here?
I do want to explore the 4th dimension and get to know how exactly it works. I want to go to my own new timeline and relive moments that were great already the first time through and make better decisions in other moments, regarding money and success. So I suppose ultimately my goal is power. Ideally my super power would be time travel.
>Does God not influence your freewill, even slightly?
It is God's will that you have freewill. To understand why you must understand the purpose and reason for creation. You see without freewill this universe would be deterministic, 1+1 would always be 2, but 1+1+freewill has the potential to grow into infinity. So therefor if God violated freewill it would be as to violate the very purpose of creation itself. Now this is not to say (divine) intervention never occurs, but it usually only does when, if it would not have, more freewill would have been violated, thus the intervention actually preserves freewill.
>If I were to attempt to manifest success in business, would it not come through the influenced actions of others?
It would. I think this question comes from a lack of understanding of freewill. Freewill is not black and white, you have it or you have none. Freewill comes in shades and degrees. Freewill is synonymous with awareness, for if you are not aware of something it's impossible to possess influence over it and via consciousness/magic/quantum mechanics, awareness of an object changes in.
>If so, what force influences another individual beyond my sight, besides God?
All of creation, it trickles down from the highest levels of beings.
>If not, would the change commence through my own influenced decisions and actions alone? Pic related.
Your mind is not chained to your flesh, moving your awareness beyond, this is fundamentally what magic is all about.
>I do want to […]' get to know how exactly it [time] works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AihD2__gKE is one of the best (entry level) greenpills about time I've found.
>So I suppose ultimately my goal is power.
Why not magic?™ Also, be careful with that
Power has both the ability to save and to corrupt, which is why knowledge is not meant for those who are not ready; those who are ready will seek not power, but knowledge, and when they find it they'll use it wisely. - Anon
The measure of a man is what he does with power. - Plato
>Ideally my super power would be time travel.
If you can master reality to a great degree you will be able to materialize anywhere in space-time you want. The catch is, by that point you'd be an enlightened ascended master.
I've been trying to do void meditation for the last two weeks and I don't seem to be getting anywhere. I have almost no thoughts floating around in my head during waking life so clearing my mind isn't the issue. Is there something else I could be doing wrong?
What is the problem? Retracting your physical senses?
It can take months to cultivate change depending on how much you actually meditate a day. If you meditate 4 hours a day, 2 weeks of work is the same amount as some one who meditates for a year but only 1 hour a day.
My advice assuming your problem is what I presumed, I would "actively visualize" blackness, devoid of anything. If a sense comes in, replace it with your void, much as you would a banishing a thought. Dedicate as much attention as you can, for as long as you can to this.
>Well what is your goal?
I want to know how to utilize the emotional energy that fills me when I listen to music. If I were aware of mechanics of it, I could manifest things with it, because I know it's powerful.
I know about sigils or thoughtforms and I had success with them already. The thing is, I can make these without music, using my subtle body energy, and they work the same.
Emotion from musical trance is something else. It's hundred times more powerful, but I don't know how to "take it" and use it. I just feel emotion, and through the act of feeling it, the emotional energy disperses into air or somewhere else, no idea. Perhaps vibing to higher frequencies makes me an optimist in general or makes my body look healthy, but otherwise most of it disperses.
When I go to huge event, party concert, movie in theatre, I can sometimes feel element of this energy in the air. People emanate it when the crowd yells. The energy here is just more crude here than my own when I experiment at home
I tried storing it in lower dan tien, but I feel it only works for chi pressure, which is a completely different thing, it just overlaps with the emotional one a bit
I expect you will answer smth like I should visualize a link between my head and a thoughtform when getting high off emotion during musical trance, and pass the emotional energy to the thoughtform. I tried things like that, but whether I visualize such thing with music or without, it's the same. The material I create thoughtform with is something like Intention or Imagination, I don't know. The thoughtform is emotionless, there is never a transfer of emotion anywhere. Emotion during my musical trance has separate channels or orbit around me and I have no control of these
> Emotion during my musical trance has separate channels
*I only suspect it has channels at all. It doesn't feel transferable, it just is. Perhaps emotion is a state of mind, not energy. You can't transfer eg. alpha brainwaves or theta brainwaves, they just are…. I don't what to think about it
>I want to know how to utilize the emotional energy that fills me when I listen to music.
>>>/fringe/199 Goes into some detail on it. Get some music, and meditate to it. Really feel the energy as it flows through you. If you get adept enough at meditating you don't even need music to reverberate through you do create this energy. In time you will develop a sensitivity to energy in this manner and will be able to work with it even in normal waking consciousness, though it will be more powerful in meditation.
>If I were aware of mechanics of it, I could manifest things with it, because I know it's powerful.
This is where I started off too.
>Emotion from musical trance is something else. It's hundred times more powerful,
That's because emotional energy is astral energy, which is a density higher than aetheric energy that most work with dealing with psi balls and the like.
>but I don't know how to "take it" and use it.
Practice feeling it, then attempt to rereverberate to that energy and recreate that emotional feeling/state. All in good time.
>I just feel emotion, and through the act of feeling it, the emotional energy disperses into air or somewhere else, no idea.
It like a tuning fork that has been struck, eventually the vibrations dissipate into the surroundings if more energy is not poured into it.
>Perhaps vibing to higher frequencies makes me an optimist in general or makes my body look healthy
That is most probably true.
>When I go to huge event, party concert, movie in theatre, I can sometimes feel element of this energy in the air.
Yep, that's part of being empathic. Sensing the energy currents, others emotions, thoughts, and overall who they are at their core.
>People emanate it when the crowd yells.
That is a very primal way of creating it, and the theory is the same, the basis of chanting and singing.
>The energy here is just more crude here than my own when I experiment at home
Yea, most people are not very energetically cultured or pure in this society.
>I tried storing it in lower dan tien, but I feel it only works for chi pressure, which is a completely different thing, it just overlaps with the emotional one a bit
Try storing it in crystals?
Personally I don't actively, intellectually, deal with any of that brain state stuff. I know of it, but when I'm in the moment, that's where I am, not worried if I'm in theta or what ever. The thinking will ruin the moment, you'll focus on your thoughts and not actually be present in the moment.
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How to get an absurd amount of extra loosh or power for a ritual?
Can just add a drop of blood to my own sigils to make the stronger?
How is maturbation related to losing loosh?
How can i get an absurd amount of loosh?
>How to get an absurd amount of extra loosh or power for a ritual?
You can ask for help from God, or another created entity, gather it from your environment, cultivation of energy is also good.
>Can just add a drop of blood to my own sigils to make the stronger?
Of course you could. And it would work.
>How is maturbation related to losing loosh?
You are wasting, not only the physical sperm, but also quite a lot of aetheric and astral energy. The orgasm? All that energy is what is leaving you (if you're a male).
Thank you for these two words
I'm going to meditate on them.
Your descriptions are of great help and don't get me wrong, but all I read here and in occult books is hopelessly general. Metaphor of tuning fork is great, that's right, we have to FIND PATTERNS, and then incorporate them in trance, energy work etc.
I wonder what device is there that I could touch and feel my whole body vibrate. I need to experience this once to know how it feels like, it would help so much. I'm actually going to sneak into some factory or something and touch big vibrating machines there
Why not just say om really loud ?
Another fun thing is to go to a natural science museum and see the massive crystal displays. Sometimes they are bigger than cars, and the energy they give off… It's quite an interesting experience.
Also I second >>105
Auming/Ohming can be quite powerful if you get the tone right and do it for awhile.
Can I create an independent tulpa that has more energy than what i used to create it?
Then when I absorve it have more energy and power than before?
>Can I create an independent tulpa that has more energy than what i used to create it?
It theory, but unless it was a loosh farming tulpa it may take a large initial investment if you want to actually make a godform.
>Then when I absorve it have more energy and power than before?
Yes, but be aware it may fight you, and that may not be so easy. So I would suggest cooperating with it for once it's energetically independent it can sever it self from you in an act of defiance because it won't necessary result in it's demise.
Can I will myself into a hot chick?
What are some methods that /fringe/ has used to permanently alter the psychical form?
I've seemingly manifested minor changes in myself, primarily through visualization and affirmation, but I'm wondering what methods might be more effective.
>What are some methods that /fringe/ has used to permanently alter the psychical form?
Through affirmation (mostly) and a little visualization I've changed the color of my hair.
>I'm wondering what methods might be more effective.
I, personally, can sense the alterations in my energy field/aura more strongly when I visualize or otherwise engage as many senses in it's creation/manifestation as possible.
So feel how it would feel to be, what ever, it is your manifesting, whether it's having a 6 pack or a your shoulder being pain free. This should help.
P.S. Pretty pic.
>Through affirmation (mostly) and a little visualization I've changed the color of my hair.
Can I use the same to turn myself into a grill? :^)
Seriously though, i wanna turn myself into a chick for keks.
>Can I use the same to turn myself into a grill? :^)
Yes, but it won't be easy.
>Seriously though, i wanna turn myself into a chick for keks.
Unless keks can sustain you for years, they won't cut it.
Alright, how hard could it possibly be?
>I've changed the color of my hair.
How big of a color change was it?
I know you're joking, but this guide on 8/fringe/ looks decent:
https://archive.is/WAfWF (archive link in case the thread 404's or 8chan dies)
Realistically though, the guide is best for a woman to train herself to become more feminine and a man to train himself to become more masculine.
Changing your biology THAT much sounds almost as difficult as my time travel goal.
Thanks again for all your help. I started watching that YouTube series. Great stuff. I'll come back in case I have more questions about it.
(Are you the owner of fringechan? I see that Montalk flag everywhere here and the same flag advertising fringechan on 8ch. If so, do you have a nickname like Hotwheels or Moot or Smiley?)
I am joking and I am not.
I dunno, I think I could generate a lot of keks.
I posted a list of all the archived question threads from 8/fringe/ in case you guys are interested in perusing through some old threads to see if your question was already answered.
>Alright, how hard could it possibly be?
Every single, not just physical difference between the sexes must be changed, but also every different energy path way needs to be altered as well. In theory you might be able to do this slowly over time, but I don't know how effective the various half was stages would be or if they could actually live/work/support life.
So I would assume that for all effective purposes it's about as hard as materializing another flesh as some yogis do, having two bodies at once. However it's one more step because you're not just copying what you already have and are very familiar with, you're creating something different, unique, and distinct.
I would say quite hard.
>How big of a color change was it?
It was pretty dark brown, now parts of it are a much lighter brown and when when the light hits those parts it looks blond. Other areas are more progressed and have a wider range of 'reflecting blond' yet still others look blond no matter the lighting.
This was a slow change over quite a while, and it's still kind of a work in progress. I'm less dedicated to it now because it was partially an experiment to see if I could and how effective it would be.
>Thanks again for all your help.
Any time, tis a pleasure to serve.
>Are you the owner of fringechan?
I'm an admin here, typically the most active one, but not the only one.
>I see that Montalk flag everywhere here and the same flag advertising fringechan on 8ch.
I'm very dedicated for these reasons:
There are only 3 relationships in life. There are those who are wiser than we are, and they are our parents regardless of whether they have any blood relationship or not. Then there are those who's knowledge and wisdom is equal to our own, they are our brothers and sisters and we exist with them in perfect equity. And there are then those also, who's knowledge is less than our own, they are our children regardless of whether they are related to us our not, they are our children, and we shall instruct them. - Pythagoras
'The greatest privilege of a human life is to become a midwife to the awakening of the Soul in another person. - Plato
It brings me great joy to be able to share and help grow
>If so, do you have a nickname like Hotwheels or Moot or Smiley?
You can call me Librarian.
Also, I typically don't use the admin persona, or even a name/trip when I'm posting because I believe in anonymity, and I would like to be able to fade into the background of it again sooner or later.
I Incorporated it into the sticky.
>Why not just say om really loud ?
Thank you for the idea.
I'm doing phD in linguistics and yesterday out of blue I had labolatory class on measuring qualities like vibration in recorded samples of voice.
Is there some specific value you recommend me to look for in my omms? If not I'm just going to experiment in general by sustaining one frequency for 10 minutes. Perhaps you guys are part of synchronicity guiding my desire so if you have any propositions, go ahead
>specific value you recommend me to look for in my omms
As for a Hz value, I would suggest trying the various ones of the 432 tuning system and the solfeggio requencies.
Stradivari/Verdi Tuning (A = 432 hz, C = 256 hz)
Calculated using the Pythagorean method of 3:2 ratio for dominants, 11:8 for sub-dominants, 2:1 for octaves.
Note Frequency (hz)
Harmonic conversion factor
in cents from 440 to 432
Here is a chart with various frequencies (and you can formulaically extrapolate it further if you want.)
I would also find some chants, online if you must, but from real monks IRL would be best, and then measure that or emulate/vocalize it yourself.
Thanks for the advice.
I've been meditating a bit more than usual lately and one of the results has been a better ability to remember my dreams. I've noticed that a recurring theme is encountering a monster/animal that terrifies me and running away from/ or hiding from it. It's a different monster each time; recently I've ran shit scared from a boar with two heads, a bear, a plague infested zombie, a demonic crab, and a jaguar. Usually I run away until it gets too close, panic and then wake up.
My goal is to become lucid in one of these dreams and confront the creature or at least show no fear of it. My questions are:
Are there any techniques to help sustain lucidity in dreams? I've become lucid numerous times in the past but always just woken up right away.
If I do manage to remain lucid and asleep, how would you recommend I approach the creature? Should I attack it? Talk to it? Banish it? Ignore it? Give it a hug? What would you do?
On the morning of 9/11 at about 7:30 AM I distinctly remember thinking to myself, "I bet something big is going to happen today at about 8:50 AM." I never made random vague predictions like that. It was unusual.
Now that I've discovered /fringe/ I want to finally learn more. What was that? Do big events send shockwaves or ripples back in time and people who are sensitive to whatever this force is can pick up on it? How can I harness this skill or ability and train it to be more useful?
Any spells/sigils for gaining money/influencing money to come to you? It's materialism, but I really need it to stock up, move, and go vegan before shit goes down.
It looks like you just have the wrong approach to your goals.
If you still want money then a simple sigil for getting money is to fill out a job application.
I've been trying that for a while now, and it just ain't enough cash for me to do even one of those simple things. Hell any job I've done is so shitty it ain't worth the little pay and time it cuts from me.
Working a minimum wage job part time gives more than enough for all of those things you want. Like I said it looks like you have the wrong approach to your goal.
If you can't find even a basic job then you have more important things to worry about and could probably go on some kind of welfare.
>Are there any techniques to help sustain lucidity in dreams?
Affirmations & keeping a dream diary.
>I've become lucid numerous times in the past but always just woken up right away. If I do manage to remain lucid and asleep, how would you recommend I approach the creature?
Perhaps try not be to so shocked. Try to just flow with it.
>Should I attack it? Talk to it? Banish it? Ignore it? Give it a hug?
Just observe it. Then do as your conscious/intuition dictates.
>What would you do?
If it induces fear, face it. Otherwise radiate love.
>Now that I've discovered /fringe/ I want to finally learn more. What was that?
It was a disturbance in the force.
>Do big events send shockwaves or ripples back in time and people who are sensitive to whatever this force is can pick up on it?
See http://www.noeticscience.co.uk/random-event-generator-and-september-11-2001/ And it's more so, the actions, about to happen, create the disturbance as they are phase locked into happening.
>How can I harness this skill or ability and train it to be more useful?
Be mindful >>>/fringe/3
You can always manifest reality to provide abundance. Spellcraft is a way to do that, but is not the only way, it's simply a way to focus your will. Abundance is the keyword you want to work with. Try using as many different sympathetic things as possible ( >>>/fringe/453 ), rhythm and rhyme also can help, body gestures such as dance can also help. But really the key thing is to engage your imagination.
Regarding sigils, make your own.
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how do I make someone I know over the internet in love and obsessed with me?!
By learning magick.
Seriously, just create a sigil and masturbate onto/into it everyday.
This was posted last time. I have given it a read, seemed pretty good. >>>/library/37
Otherwise I would use general reality manifestation or crystallizing your intent in a sigil or a spell works too if you need something to focus on.
Does anyone have information on the occult properties of gems?
Christianity has saved me from depression. I found new meaning to life which is maintaining an everlasting bond and connection with the Creator, which is achieved by avoiding sin. But magic is sin. But i still want to learn magic. Im afraid my depression will come back because then i will lose meaning if i take on the /fringe/ belief system. Fringe says the meaning of life is to grow and become more powerful, but that seems egoistic.
So what do?
I thought "sin" in the christian sense just meant disobeying the will of god, which in general lines is just being good to other people and encouraging love and compassion.
I don't think all magic goes against the christian version of God, if you think about Jesus you could say he used a form of magic, and he even gave it to his disciples , didn't he give his disciples power to expel demons? He said the only reason why some of them couldn't do it was because they lacked faith.
>the meaning of life is to grow and become more powerful
Being more powerful also means you can protect more people, you could use that approach
>I found new meaning to life which is maintaining an everlasting bond and connection with the Creator, which is achieved by avoiding sin.
This is technically correct.
>But magic is sin.
However, you have a deeply flawed understanding of what sin is.
Sin is simply imperfection, or a (degree of) separation from the divine.
>the meaning of life is to grow and become more powerful
To grow and be come closer to unity with God, through that, yes, power does come, but that is not the goal (unless you are STS), to become one with the creator in all ways in.
And to truly become one with God you must be able to do as God does, that is to say create by through or will. You're (probably) not going to all of a sudden instantly become totally enlightened and spiritually evolved to that level. Most need to be able to work up to it. That involves mastering their environment, being able to shape and bend it with their mind in increasingly impactful ways.
If you are on the STS path, it can be ego, but not on the STO. If you consciously serve God with every action, word, and deed then ego is sublimated and you aid creation in growing.
I feel the need to clarify here since you are Christian, God is the ultimate everything, the all, manifest creation and the energy which manifested it as well. God is beyond petty things such as caring about getting involved with mortal affairs, as sooner or later, in this life or the next, we shall learn. It's up to us to do that ourselves, by our own freewill.
>But i still want to learn magic. Im afraid my depression will come back because then i will lose meaning if i take on the /fringe/ belief system.
So then only use your abilities for the good of all, only use them in Godly ways, only resonate, channel, and work with Divine love. That way you can be assured not to be going against God in any way.
I will warn you though, despite Jesus and the apostates and the saints doing magic, it's typically not very well received or accepted by the church now-a-days, despite it being written "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do."
So do not be afraid, there is nothing inherently evil about magic, it can be considered a tool, and like any other, you can use an axe to chop down a tree or kill some one. The only difference between an axe and magic is magic is intrinsic to you, it's part of your mind and can never be separated from you, only denied and to deny the existence of part of creation is to deny that part of God.
Christianity has deep esoteric roots however most of it is lost, simply hidden deep in metaphor, or ever worse, actually mistaught for control. The Vatican is notorious for this.
One of the best examples (in brief) of the magical nature of Chriastianity is well demonstrated in a book, located her
entitled "God-man - the word made flesh (1920) - George W. Carey.pdf"
Dream journal. Most powerful one is called reality checking. Make a habit out of looking at your hands and seeing if there are 5 fingers. If so, you're awake. You never have 5 fingers in a dream for some reason. But eventually after integrating this into your life multiple times a day for a few weeks, you will start doing it subconsciously as well. So you will automatically reality check in some dreams.
yesterday I tried to do some qi energy work, so I started standing with my legs wide than my shoulders, and hands making a line of 180 degrees and parallel with the floor (like in Da Vinci's drawing of a human). Then I felt a flow through my spine, but it didn't went further down my legs and higher than my neck. So I remember something from my martial arts and went with my hands from my chest area down to my groin and back up to my neck. I felt this flow of energy go to my feet and back up to my head.
Point is, what can I do with this and what was this? was it qi?
New board, new reading list?
We really need to sort the junk out and get some good stuff in.
The reading list is always updated, revised, new stuff added, shit-tier stuff removed.
It's fine as it is although feel free to bring new books to my attention that should go into my library.
You act like junk isn't constantly sorted out, at least from the main library.
There are 2 books that come highly recommended from nearly every one I've talked to. "Love Is In The Earth" by Melody & "The Crystal Bible" by Judy Hall.
I've done some preliminary lookings for the files, no luck thus far. You can check out >>>/library/ maybe they are in there or some other books on the subject are.
I'll check more later, but in the mean time try just searching for "[stone/mineral/crystal name] + metaphysic(al)" in your favorite search engine.
Is 'Brahma' just another word for the ALL?
Brahman is. Not Brahma, that's just the creation principle.
>Point is, what can I do with this and what was this?
Basic energy sensitivity. From this awareness flow forth the ability to move/manipulate it, from this flows forth pretty much all magic in some form or another.
>was it qi?
A form of it. Depending on energies specific form, it can have a lot of different names: here are some others:
torsion fields, the unified field, od(ic) force, vril, loosh, chi, ki, prana, mana, spirit(us), scalar waves, life force, vital energy, vortex/toroid power, pyramid/cone (geometric based) energy, orgone, vacuum energy,
just note, they are not all the exact same, as some refer to broader or narrower vibratory slices of it, but fundamentally it's all the same sort. Here on /fringe/ chi/qi, prana, loosh, or just generically, energy are the most common referenced words or forms. Loosh and energy being the most all encompassing.
Say I accidently self-initiated myself into an unknown collective with the aid of a synthetic drug. It wasn't on purpose, I was just having a nice binge which ended up forcing me to turn serious about magic. I just stuck with the drug because it kept opening up my energy pathways, and even let me create a psiball so strong my energy-sensitive roommate at the time felt its presence. It was so strong in fact he felt me "asserting myself" which scared the shit out of him because of my inflated ego at the time. I actually saw the energy around me at the time with crystal clear perception. My whole body had a red glowing shade to it while his had a blue shade, the funny thing too is that he was on shrooms at the time(synthetic red vs natural blue). I saw the psiball and the energy current from my palms in perfect detail.
Since the moment of initiation I've had swollen lymph nodes that respond to my state of health, swelling more when Im starting to get sick and less when Im healthy. But when I go without it for a couple months they start to go crazy and I get sick.
The drug doesn't really have any long term health effects so Im not worried about that as an issue. Im just wondering more about this initiation and collective part of the experience. My HGA will not help me at all, just kinda jokes around but never gives me a solid answer. All readings or divination done on me result in vague answers or new age sounding bullshit lile "this is supposed to be happening". Never has a reasing ever broken this pattern despite the medium being used.
Recently went through a period where my new phone was glitchy and then my already glitchy computer completely fried itself. Im finally getting a new laptop to continue my studies but I'm just confused as to where to go from here. Anyone got any ideas or heard of anything like this?
Don't get too attached on the drug, it might hinder results for when you don't have it.
Try the following, Its called energy cylinder vortex(or somenthing). and is an altenate method for activating sigils, but i am curious of what happens if you use it.
>Draw a simple circle anywhere.
>Visualize strong white lights coming from yourself to the circle and turning clockwise as if a vortex was pulling the light spots.
>Tell me what happens then
Moneyfag here, thanks a ton for the insight, but that website doesn't wanna work for me. Can you upload it somewhere else please?
When I lay to sleep at night my forehead is tingling so hard I almost feel my head being forcibly pushed into the bed. Sometimes this energetic tingling radiates into top of my skull but there's nothing special about it, except it being extremely strong (although not unpleasant. it reminds me of sensation of having a boner, except not sexual and on my forehead instead of in my pants).
When I meditate in this state I don't feel or see anything special. I understand it's merely my pineal gland producing melatonin because it realized it's time to sleep.
In the past I hoped something good is happening and that it was related to my fluoride-free diet. Half an year, tingling is still there every night, but nothing comes out of it. Is there any special procedure I could try when I feel the tingling? Do I ignore it and let it develop on its own? Or perhaps focus on it with all my might? I tried imagining spinning there, sweeping, touching it, scratching, even doing head-stands, getting into emotional trance, employed Bruce's energy body instructions… but I can't really pin it down.
It actually started tingling a bit during writing this post.
Drugs in general force open your mind, into realms beyond what you existed before (but by no means where incapable of getting to) suddenly. This can result in an awakening such as you experienced, but it can also put your awareness there, so well beyond the realm of what you know how to work with, you can hurt yourself if you do not respect the power you've newly acquired while you learn it.
Regarding your health, I would cleanse & purify your body as best as you can. Energy work, especially if it's intense has a tendency to agitate your vessel if it's not kept in good condition.
I would also be careful with that drug, I don't know what exactly it is doing, just because you don't know of any long term effects does not mean they don't exist. I would work on weaning yourself off it and work on obtaining those powers while totally sober.
>Recently went through a period where my new phone was glitchy and then my already glitchy computer completely fried itself. Im finally getting a new laptop to continue my studies but I'm just confused as to where to go from here. Anyone got any ideas or heard of anything like this?
As you increase your psychic energy it will cascade down to you (physical) electro-magnetic field as well. If you do not at least temper this to work well with technology by your mindset it will interfere with it and cause issues.
Your energy will start to "awaken" your technology and imprint it, it will stop acting so much like the binary thing you expect and will start to act in a "strange" and not strictly deterministic manner. By interacting with it as one conscious being to another, by loving it and encouraging it to work and be well, you will get much better results.
This is cybershamanism.
That is just your 3rd eye being open. You may see things, but, depending on the individual, you may still need to try or work out your imagination with visualization meditations. I would certainly train and cultivate one's self.
Do energy work and try not just sense it, but also see it while you meditate. Imagine and create things in your mind, bring your awareness to places, both as they exist "in memory" and in imagination, engage as many of your senses as you can.
>It actually started tingling a bit during writing this post.
Where attention goes energy flows.
I wanted to describe my situation in depth but I'm just going to cut that and go straight to the obstacle that I think is limiting me:
I'm hopelessly trying to get into trance in awake state. I can hold mind with no thoughts on a candle, point or whatever, but after some time my eyes automatically "change focus". It's like a blockage that stops me from falling deeper into trance. My eyes don't want to keep still on one place, they automatically shift its attention so slightly and ruin it. It's not that my eyes are moving as if I had dementia. It's more like, shift of the focus happening on the level of peripheral vision.
This might come up as a really mundane question, but I'm just starting in all if this…
I've seen many banishing rituals, and some of them seem so complex, like Gold Dawn's or Bearheart's Ritual. Yet, others look very simple and straight to the point, like many of the Chaos Magic rituals. My question is, what can you get out of a complex ritual, full of words of power and diferent visualizations, instead of simples rituals like the one in Liber Null?
>inb4 Chaos Magic is for lows exdi
The LBRP (Lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram) is pretty simple to get into and remember. There is also the NBRP (New Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram) if you prefer something different.
I don't know If you actually understood what I meant, but I'm aware of those and many other Banishing rituais. What I mean is, what's diferent between a "complex" ritual like the normal LBRP, or many of the other more minimalistic rituals, involving just simples visualizations? Do they gain more power with adding Word of Power and evoking Angels and stuff?
Thank you for your time anyway kind anon
The universe is mind. Its all about getting into the mindset of that you are doing truly works. The more belief you have, the more power you have.
any tips on how to accomplish this?
Not the same anon but it is all up to you how you reach that goal.
Do you believe that a simple thought of banishing will work? Then yes it will work.
Do you believe that a complex ritual will banish something? Then yes it will work.
That there are already banishing rituals out there gives them more power in a way.
Think of it as confirmation bias where you think it works better because other people are doing it. So then it works better for you than some ritual you made up.
I personally meditate with eyes closed the grand majority of the time. So I can't really comment much on open eye meditations.I find it much easier as the physical world can be quite distracting.
All rituals are just there to help you focus your will and intent. All I use is a simple intention and "Be gone." What ever works for you. Magic is just as much an individual thing as any other art, but like any science it can be systematized too.
>Do they gain more power with adding Word of Power and evoking Angels and stuff?
They can, but it depends on you and what you include/feel you need. Remember all is one. These angels are you. You have all the power you need, can you realize that?
Small steps can be good for building confidence of your level of unity.
Are there any good guided meditations with a focus on magick?
The Visualizaton, Single Point focus, and Quiet Mind meditations are among the best basic ones
One specific benefit of a longer and more complicated ritual is that it gives you time to build power, which a simpler ritual does not.
Try the LBRP in the astral. You'll feel the power fill you more and more with each new word and gesture, to the point that it rips through the air at the end and can outright destroy any entity you direct it towards.
All those presentiments that I keep receiving and later regret not having followed them :–D, they are obviously trying to guide me onto specific ways to the future.
Now, do they arise because I desire some outcome or are those guidances by my higher self or whatever?
I tend to believe it's the former because these presentiments are mostly about unimportant stuff that hardly influences my life - like my timing at cooking food or getting out of bed because the door bell is about to ring.
On the other hand, I don't really desire the outcome of such petty things, so that would be an indicator of a higher force trying to impose some destiny upon me.
So the more fundamental question concerning these presentiments would be: Am I creating them (my destiny) or are they (my destiny) created for me?
Also when will this board have https?
>Now, do they arise because I desire some outcome or are those guidances by my higher self or whatever?
It's probably a bit of both but it could solely be one or one or the other.
>On the other hand, I don't really desire the outcome of such petty things, so that would be an indicator of a higher force trying to impose some destiny upon me.
It's just reality trying to work together in a harmonic way.
>Am I creating them (my destiny) or are they (my destiny) created for me?
Your higherself has laid out a path it wanted you to walk because it believes you will make good productive growth on it. As you possess freewill, you can fight it with enough effort and energy. But you have to ask yourself, is it worth all the effort?
>It's probably a bit of both but it could solely be one or one or the other.
I expected this answer, it's not satisfying tbh :(
But these presentiments feel like one and the same source as far as I can tell. So I can't really see whether it comes from me or my higher self if it's from either of the sources.
>As you possess freewill, you can fight it with enough effort and energy. But you have to ask yourself, is it worth all the effort?
It took me some years to acquire the skill to distinguish these presentiments from usual reasoning thoughts.
It's still rather difficult to act on them because I sometimes think to know better than what my gut feeling is telling. But the gut feeling is always right and I'm kinda mad after ignoring such clear messages of it.
So I'm still questioning whether I should lay my life into these guidances. They are usually helpful, but where are they helping me to get? Is it really my higher self's interest or am I being misled and deceived?
I don't want to trust these presentiments blindly, but it is necessary so it makes a difference. These presentiments are always like a crossroads where I have to either trust my feelings or to trust my reason. I often don't have much time to decide, it's often a matter of seconds - whether I jump on the train or not.
I just need clarity about where the train goes man…
I mean, would you jump on a train whose destination you don't know about?
Oh, forgot to add in the last paragraph:
It's not really an effort to dodge these premade ways, that's the scary thing. You can slip so easily from the path that was laid out for you implying that the presentiments are guidance from the higher self
I do it all the time and regret it afterwards. Like the example with the door bell, remember? I keep lying around in bed and the the door bell really does sound, so I end up in a hassle to get dressed, mad about not listening :–D
It even seems that catching those presentiments and following them requires more effort than dodging them
>So I can't really see whether it comes from me or my higher self if it's from either of the sources.
The way you can tell is by careful, meticulous self observation you can tell what you manifested and what was not a direct result from the vibration you emanated.
>They are usually helpful, but where are they helping me to get?
To your destiny.
>Is it really my higher self's interest or am I being misled and deceived?
It may be your higherself, but there are also other influences too, you/your higherself aren't the only beings in this co-created universe.
>I just need clarity about where the train goes man…
Sometimes you just need to have faith.
>I mean, would you jump on a train whose destination you don't know about?
Not all those who wander are lost. - J. R. R. Tolkien
Sometimes you just need to seek to find.
Who else would rather stay here than go back to 8ch/fringe? This place feels more mature.
reasons I don't like 8ch fringe :
>Too much content at one place and too much shit content
>Mega fucked up css and style
>Smileyberg the dick cutter
>8chan is just … its not the best idea.
I'd rather be here, and while I think that my stance was already obvious. I'll state it for the record here.
I also like it here because we're more organized with /library/, /div/, & /arcane/. And once we start getting many questions threads we'll also have an onsite archive to link to specific posts. We can expand as needed and otherwise keep posts organized for a better digital /fringe/ academy, a way to lay out the path for all the neophytes we're starting to get, beyond just endless questions threads.
Furthermore we can also modify the software ourselves, fix problems, or add capability since we are the admins/owners, and in addition since we are not at the whim of some one else, and it's not a major social platform (yet?) we'll have a lot less problems with the matrix control system trying to subvert and control the platform/site. And by the time we are, I imagine we wouldn't need to worry about it too much because we can just set up a protection sigil or the like.
Tech aside, we are also energetically isolated from the rest of the chaos of 8chan. We don't have so much aetheric/astral interference from all the mundanes bleeding through the server. IMHO that is 1/2 the reason it feels so homey here.
I'm loving fringechan
It kind of feels like 8chan /pol/ did after the 1st exodus from 4chan i.e. less shitposting & higher post quality (almost as if we're leaving behind the crud…)
I also agree with >>172
the css on 8ch/fringe/ is pure cancer. I don't care if some people prefer it & choose to set it as their global style, I just don't want to deal with it when browsing an old /fringe/ thread through archive.is or the wayback machine.
lastly I agree with >>173
having separate boards, being able to make software changes to suit our need, and isolation from mundane who happen to stumble across /fringe/ makes fringechan superior to 8chan /fringe/
Fringechan is better because:
#1 More organized. (specific topics have their own board, along with shitposting, and keeps topics contained and clean. This was strangely frowned upon on 8/fringe/ for some reason.)
#2 Negative atmosphere. (The change over from freedomboard to 8chan could be felt very differently. The whole 8chan site has the negative chan culture around it and it greatly effected the content.)
#3 More controlled. (Less shitposting, ect.)
#4 Magick wizard protection.
#5 Feels like home. (Comfy.)
Can you please fix the site? I see vichan was lifted from 8chan including all its bugs, but Hotwheels was able to fix it finally. Please do the same so fringechan doesn't become unusable.
Can you please fix the site? I see vichan was lifted from 8chan including all its bugs, but Hotwheels was able to fix it finally. Please do the same so fringechan doesn't become unusable.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We'll get on it
Could there be astral spies or astral probes? APd for the first time the other day (that I know of) and there was this small black orb cylindrical thing following me around and I had to banish it
>Could there be astral spies or astral probes?
Yes. They could be actual beings, but they could also just be servitor-tulpa level constructs as well.
What method did you use to project?
Thank you, but the answers are really too objective for me.
I guess I'll just have to keep practicing.
My mother had the exact same thing. What happened with her is when she turned to face the creature she woke up and never had the dream again.
I think you mean subjective?
Yeah, "keep doing and improving" is the answer to everything. It's a grind, a journey, wonderful or meticulous depending on which stage you are at/how you see it
Can we please have a "Wizard (Cyber Magician)" flag please?
Didn't use a method, just sort of accidently happened. I rode out the vibrations and tried to open my eyes and looked out my window and saw it. I banished it but I couldn't exit my body so I just drifted to sleep.
what does a cyber mage do?
I managed to make my phone gps work a lot better than it usually does by merging energy fields with it and doing what it should do (send/receive to space) but that only worked one time.
It's literally your own sensory organs. Your own organs tell you the door bell is about to ring and you get a 'presentiment' because you wish to respond to a door bell, but you're not consciously aware of the sensation itself. Stop being so afraid.
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>what does a cyber mage do?
>Online group magick
>Practical meme creation and spreading.
>divination with Digital versions of Tarot, runes, I-ching, as well as scrying on static TV sceen or smartphone screens.
>Music for meditation
>Chaneling/Automatic writing on a keyboard.
>Create sigils with "Googlemancy", QR Code, or text encription.
>Virtual library(fringechan has it) and virtual magickal diary
>Using your computer or smartphone, as a receptacle for toughforms or other entites,(Maybe even use "Shimeji")
>Charging sigils with the loosh from playing action games.
>Banishing by deleting sigil image files.
And the list goes on…
It was originally based on chaos magick, but it changed a lot after that. There is also a paradigm based on the holographic universe and a lot of computer metaphors to help explain magick to neophytes.
A little more on >>>/library/89
>I think you mean subjective?
Nope. By stating all the possibilities objectively, I don't get an answer that is exactly tailored to my situation and thus it's not helpful to me.
But that's okay because how can one expect a tailored answer over the internet anyway? I just gave it a try though.
I usually get the doorbell feel 20 mins before, so it's obviously not my sensory organs, fuck you.
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A cybershaman interacts with technology in an intimate way, communicating with it as a traditional shaman or druid would with the trees or animals. See bottom half of >>151
Some practical examples of this would include willing computers to fix themselves/work/stop having issues (or the opposite of you're STS.) You can also set up 'psychic firewalls' to do affect intruders computers.
I've literally laid hands on technology before and it's started working flawlessly where as before it wouldn't even boot. Also sort of "psychic programming", projecting my will to cause it to act in a certain way, not a way it was even necessary "supposed to" act, but nonetheless to do so consistently. And then you of course have the manipulation of RNG which can do all sorts of things.
I actually want to build a mind-to-computer interface capable of at least basic psychic shortcuts any maybe even a psychic keyboard once I get better with it. In theory it wouldn't be that hard, I would be using RNGs and just filtering out the random noise from input (the "statistical anomalies").
Further uses of RNG manipulation is nearly endless but a few more examples including scrying information and manifesting what you're seeking via 'randomized' searches.
In addition I'll also use people's screen names/post IDs to empath them, send energy, or heal.
It is your sensory organs, just not your physical ones. You are more than just flesh.
318 follows me everywhere and anything I find on the number is complete newage bullshit. Only thing useful Ive found is that it relates to Saturn and time. Anyone care to help?
Can we stop blocking Tor posts?
I know I probably going to sound like a total Neophyte, but fuck it
Can someone explain to me if there is a objective difference between a "spiritual guide, or master" that appears to you during the course of your life (like in my case) and a tulpa? I mean, I know a tulpa can be pretty much anything mind related, and since our minds can create anything, they are real in that sense, but is there a difference between the two?
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An (ascended) master or spirit guide is a first order being with a divine spark while a tulpa is a second order being without one.
There is a classification system of zero order, first order, and second order beings has been utilized to separate the major types of consciousness. God is a zero order being, humans are first order beings, and thoughtforms or entities without a direct energetic link to God are second order beings.
Likewise, there are zero, first, and second order emotions. Zero order emotion is the will of God which essentially powered the Big Bang. First order emotion is true love as humans can experience it, that of truth, knowledge, and awareness. Second order emotions consist of everything else, from illusory love to lust, hatred, fear, jealousy, and contempt. These are false emotions, for they stem not from God but from illusion.
Second order beings are the primary beneficiaries of the matrix for they feed upon their corresponding type of loosh, second order emotion. Such beings were not created by God originally, their creators are first order beings who either purposely or accidentally succumbed to illusion and began to feed such illusions by putting emotional energy into things not connected to the physical reality created by God. In other words, instead of focusing entirely upon physical reality and truth in their lives, first order beings (who by definition have Creator-like abilities) began to create a new reality of their own, that within the realm of their imaginations.
This imaginary reality is now known as the etheric realm, and energy dumped into this realm was shaped via first order beings’ fears and fantasies into second order beings called thoughtforms. Thoughtforms are etheric robots without an energetic connection to God — a metaphysical form of artificial intelligence. Thoughtforms, generated by illusion, soon resorted to parasitism upon first order beings to feed themselves and maintain their own existence. Over time, thoughtforms have created an entirely new illusory reality overlaying the real reality on earth, and this illusory overlay is the matrix.
It goes on, and into much further detail of course, including how to work with and avoid potential pitflalls, but this excerpt answers your question succinctly.
I still consider myself a numerology novice, but here's what I got for you. Using horizontal math, 3+1+8 is 12 is 1+2 is 3. But it's meaning may not solely be that, it may be the meaning of 3 AND 1 AND 8. Other meanings, occurrences, and mathematical significances of 3, 1, 8 and 318 are available here:
Furthermore in vortex based math the 1 and the 8 are the start and the end of the cycle (before the previous or next octave) and the 3 is one end of the polarity switching, it's where it stops going one way and starts reversing it's movement to go on ward (in another way). This can be moving on to the next octave (as it usually is in perfection) or it could also be stagnantly lingering (as sometimes life seems to be or is if you do not grow).
There is also quite a bit of other geometrical and musical-harmonic information as well. There is so much more to this, but I'm trying to keep it brief and not rant on for hours. (Sooner or later I'll get a thread on this and it's implications on science…)
I would also encourage you to consider the context you see it is and what energies that has and where you are emotionally, mentally, physically, and in your life at the time and try to see if there is any common threads.
How can I keep my memories after reincarnation?
Interesting, it kinda sounds similar to a religion in my country
(insert shitty third world country here) where they claim to have the "orixas" which are high level spiritual entities directly related to god, and theres is also other spiritual entities, some of then are literally called "old nigger", they also have others called "exu",and others types entities with weird names that represent different types of the human archetype. So I guess in that way the Orixas are like first order beings, and the other spiritual entities are second order beings.
Anyway, I'm still trying to understand my "spiritual guild" (though I think there is more then one) Maybe later I can try to understand and create a tulpa, and see if how much of difference there is between the two.
And thanks for the help, man.
You keep the spiritual lessons that you have internalized. They are stored in your higherself/spirit. In the next life you will have a 'shadow memory' of all the past lessons you've learned and you will learn/remember them very easy if you aren't just born knowing them.
If you mean a perfect memory of every little detail of your life as you possess now. You have to be(come) immortal for that. Or use a STS work around such as a phylactery. Or you could do past life meditations or regressions and try to recover them as well.
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I got a bag full of vitamins "stolen" by leaving it outside to dry.
Is there a way I can get it back?
I was thinking ask the ether for a suitable being (I don't hear much of anything, but feel responses sometimes from who-knows-what)
and maybe offering a drop of blood before and after. I have no idea how to offer it but assumed spilling it somewhere would do, maybe on paper and lighting it on fire.
Why the quotes? Where expecting it to be taken?
>Is there a way I can get it back?
Honestly, doubtful. Though you may be able to get a conviently karmically supplied replacement.
>Blood deals with entities
Assuming you wanted to go that route, if they had a sigil, dropping the blood on it would work. Else you can just offer it to them as draw, and release it and it should work.
If you work with that entiety often (yet it has no sigil) you could have a special candle or alter item/space dedicated to them you could cast your blood upon in their name.
As an aside, personally though, I think this, blood deals, are rather over kill over some vitamins. If you where going to do something so strong why not just barter for what the vitimans would have gotten you directly?
I don't always remember my dreams, but from the ones I remember there I always seem to be running or hiding from something or someone, but that something is so vague that I can't even begin to comprehend what it could be. Could this have occult significance or just a manifestation of psychological problems?
>Why the quotes? Where expecting it to be taken?
nah but I left em outside to dry and I feel I should have suspected that as a possibility and not done that so I feel
Can someone tell me whom Jesus really was?
No but I presume he was jewish
He was Aryan no doubt. Jews are not human.
How important is physical yoga? What's the best book/guide/site on Hatha Yoga? Reading through WWA's book on it and I haven't learned any stretches but I learned a few more facts on prana and benefits of conscious eating.
Are mainstream monotheistic religions (any type of christianity, islam) a scam in the spiritual sense? As in, doesn't concentrating emotional power on some entity (be it jesus or mohammed) basically mean giving some dude crazy amounts of loosh? Are they farming humans for loosh?
>Joy of Satan tier color scheme
>Starts shilling for Joy of Satan halfway through
Very correct. Its spiritual enslavement and a big loosh farming operation. Do any of the monolithic religions truly help someone advance spiritually? No, the contrary, true spirituality, witchcraft and magick for example, is made out to be something 'evil' and are made out to be avoided at all costs. Also, all Abrahamic religions worship the same 'God', YHWH, so its not exactly hard to see where all the loosh goes to, and thereby, its also quite easy to see that its a scam altogether. Why do you think the main Abrahamic religions are still being promoted as fanatically these days? Its spiritual imperialism. Pic semi-related (tier 5 and 6)
You have no doubts? You must've been with him at the time, I assume?
Regardless of source, there is still information of value.
If Jesus was a historical man, which I have my doubts about (I feel I need to do more research on the subject before I speak, with authority, on the subject) and so I'll link an essay I found helpful.*
Assuming he was for a moment and just a metaphor for your everyman/self you must still separate him, Jesus the man, from,
Christ the divine state of being. You have the man, and the state consciousness that is Christ or the (one who has been) Christened.
If you view his story as told as a guide to achieving that state of enlightenment within one self as he did then the historical fact of him being a physically existent man or a parable no longer matters.
Which is the way the data seems to point, even within the biblical narrative. In this paradigm the new testament is a guide to achieving that, and though there is an extraordinary level of metaphor, the information is still there if you study the language enough.
Here is just an example of this: christ comes from the greek word christos which means oil. When you are Christened you are anointed (or made sacred), typically now-a-days by oil, but originally and truly this oil is not something symbolic, it's the very literal production of a substance (oil or sometime's metaphorized as honey), the ambrosia/amrita/nectar of the gods/etc., within one's own skull/head which results from alchemizing one's self into a pure state of being.
This is just a small explanation, I won't go on further here. If you want all the details & insight on the process as alchemically outlined in the New Testament read God-man - the word made flesh by George W. Carey^
>Are mainstream monotheistic religions [Abarahamic] a scam in the spiritual sense?
Yes because they remove the power from within you and tell you must give it to another entity and not to bother growing yourself, god will take care of it all once you die.
>As in, doesn't concentrating emotional power on some entity (be it jesus or mohammed) basically mean giving some dude crazy amounts of loosh?
>Are they farming humans for loosh?
>Could this have occult significance or just a manifestation of psychological problems?
There is no difference. Your mind & emotions are an energy field, and if you let them, entities will attempt to get what loosh they can from you.
>I don't always remember my dreams,
Working on dream recall will help you have increased lucidity so you can face it. Remember, the fear you feel yourself has the power (and only because you choose to feel/resonate with it), not the being who induced it.
You can also sufficient alter yourself so you, even in an unconscious/semi-conscious state can still assert yourself.
It seems like the most important thing for a wizard, especially starting out is to deconstruct his beliefs about the world, atleast from what I've read so far, it looks like you need to be 100% convinced what you're doing is going to work for it to work, how should one go about doing this?
The way I did it when I started with occultism is, that whenever I noticed that I wanted to remove a pre-existing notion or concept from my mind is, focus on it, then visualize a wrench and 'feel' that you are actively unscrewing said thought. Anything basically that symbolizes you actively purging said thought or notion. For me, unscrewing it with a wrench did the trick. Hope that helps.
Can you folks (neophytes/initiates) give me an example of the cool magick stuff you can do? Knowledge alone would still probably be enough for me, but it is nice to have more motivation.
thanks, will try it out
A better question would be; what not? As everything is mind, we are essentially living a dream. A shared dream, woven by all beings, together, simeltaniously, without beginning or end. Really, there isn't anything you cannot do.
I should mention that you should focus on 'feeling' it work. You must feel it throughout every corner of your conscious experience of reality. After the act of unscrewing, or another symbolic representation you might've come up with, you must 'feel' that it worked. Essentially, you are reprogramming the mind. That's what it boils down to.
Right, thanks again, why I really figured I need to do this now is because my thoughtforms are lacking punch, and I regularily observe myself doubting if my magick will really work or not
Why not work with affirmations (perhaps even daily until your issue is solved)?
"My magick is going to work without fail."
Repeat that when you are in a trance-y state, as then it will eventually take root in your subconsciousness. A form of self-hypnosis. Program yourself. You, as a soul, are the one who is in control above all conscious proccesses of your being, thereby you decide how you organize your mindscape. See your brain and its functions as a computer, and you the Soul as the user.
"My magick is working without fail" – my bad. Not 'going to', as you are programming the present.
I'm depressed guys, why does the anti-white propaganda get pushed so much and why are so many white people blind to this? It's common sense
Well, I've read the Kybalion and there it said that while everything may be mind, it is mind of The All, not mine or yours (even though we're part of the all, kinda). Thus, its phenomena are very real and so (to anyone but The All) are the laws which The All forces upon us. So I'm just wondering about specific examples of what kind of laws you're able to circumvent.
It's weird I never thought about doing it this way yet tbh, I'll try making a thoughtform/servitor and then enter a trance and repeat "My thoughtform is doing it's task"
Do online tarots work?
How about offline tarot software?
>It seems like the most important thing for a wizard, especially starting out is to deconstruct his beliefs about the world
Yes, freeing your mind is extremely important.
>it looks like you need to be 100% convinced what you're doing is going to work for it to work
It's not strictly necessary, but it does help. However what is necessary is removing any beliefs that say you can't do it.
>how should one go about doing this?
This depends on who you are. For me, I was more rational-left brained so it required more science, observation, & experimentation. I let go of what I though "should" happen and just noted what did happen. I started small then moved up to bigger phenomena.
If you're more intuitive-right brained, you can just jump right in with some practical instructions. Regardless, read at least the prerequisite understanding of >>>/fringe/200
>Can you folks (neophytes/initiates) give me an example of the cool magick stuff you can do?
• Random number manipulation
• Awareness of energy within the body
• Learning to distinguish between the energies of different emotions
• Emotional alchemy or the transmutation of one emotion to another at will and maintaining of an emotional calm via desire/intention
• Manipulation of energy around your energy body (empowering yourself via chakra charging/cleansing or to accelerate healing)
• Manipulating your energy to move in synchronization with your physical form as to put your mind into your actions to gain (physical) power
• Gathering energy and imbuing it with an intention (spellcraft)
• Awareness of energy beyond the body or of other bodies (including crystals, plants, other people, etc.)
• Learning to distinguish the different flavors of energy
• Becoming able to simulate/invoke said vibrations from memory at will
• Projecting energy into/at something/one (charging)
• Projecting specific energy, or energy into a specific area to cause increased willpower, clairvoyance, compassion, etc. (knowledge of occult anatomy or familiarity with energies different vibs/feels)
• Projection of energy as mentioned above but to anywhere on Earth, and with some leeway for effecting the (perceptorial) past as well, primarily for healing, but occasionally normal manifestation/reality manipulation as well.
• Invokation and evokation of entities and talk to them, request help, get answers, etc.
• Fueling my body on loosh so I do not require nearly as much physical food.
• Resistance to cold (a la Wim Hof), to the point of being ok in a tanktop outside in 40°F weather and, depending on what I'm doing, being fine or even hot.
• Bending time, both perceptorial(so that I experience time slower than others) and bubble, so that all time around me (including clocks and such) experience more or less time than the surrounding world.
Indeed, and I personally do not consider myself that advanced, but nonetheless, here you go.
>I'm depressed guys,
Use that feeling of distraughtness to fuel rightious anger and action to fix the problem.
>why does the anti-white propaganda get pushed so much
Because the NWO fears us the most as we have the most ability and inherent power and potential, so they push propaganda the hardest in this respect.
>why are so many white people blind to this?
Multigenerationally instituted beliefs, mandatory
brainwashing school in most places, and society wide propaganda via news, TV, hollywood, radio, etc.
>It's common sense
If they actually thought, problem is…
Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation. - Oscar Wilde
There are distractions a plenty, bread and circuses a bound in this second roman empire. The problem is the lower self is weak, trivial, stupid, cowardly and soft. It wants easy pleasures and to fit in with the flocks of sheeple. And the NWO not only provides plenty of that but it's also encouraged.
It works off "random" number generators. The numbers are quantum probabilistically influenced by your mind and the universal intelligence to provide "exactly what you needed to hear."
Real life tarot is very similar, the lack of knowledge of which cards are where put them into effective superposition allowing for just the right card to be chosen.
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How do I access the akashic records? Could I learn the details of this vessels future death from there? What substances could I injest to make my minds eye more vivid?
If one can become immortal, as so implied here, then how is it done? Does one become immortal in the sense of having one's cells fail to die of age? Can it be done so as to have a dead body, but one controlled entirely by your will and fueled by an external source? In a similar line of thought, does it come with a degradation of the mind as available memory space decreases, however slowly (there are admittedly enough possible connections between neurons to ensure good memory for centuries, which is more than enough time for me), or some kind of change that leads to a shift further into the realm of hylics rather than a spiritual and mental existence?
Sorry for the long wait, I've been delving deeper into the drug state recently to see what happens to my "abilities". Just tried the technique on an empty circle. Almost seems to pull me into a trance, the circle itself glows a little bit but I get that when charging other sigils. But I also got a visual of an inner and outer circle powering up that I did not draw. It's still charged as I'm typing this. I've always had weird phenomena with sigils personally too. I made a sigil grid on a paper plate and gave it to a friend and it was still pumping out power months later. I had even half assed it.
Dextromethorphan. Although the state I reached when I joined whatever collective I initiated into was more akin to a salvia trip. As if I had reached salvia space through triggering specific neuron connections, but instead of staying for a couple minutes I was there lucidly for say, 30 minutes maybe? Still trying to figure out exactly how to get back there but I haven't had the same amount of time I used to when I first breached into it.
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What info could you share on immortality? Also thank you for your many thorough answers. You are a big help.
>How do I access the akashic records?
By training your intuition and astral senses. I would recommend >>>/fringe/3, numbers #1-3 for basic intuition. This will allow you to sense what is around you and how the environment changes, allowing for noticing of the subtle things you may other wise miss by being too focused on the physical realm.
#4 for basic visualizing and then #12 & 13 for more advanced. Also try to restore your thinking to imagining instead of thinking in words, this will help a lot. Also 'paint' and 'sculpt' with your other senses (hearing, smell, touch, etc.) too. This will allow you to be able to discern one type of energy from another, allowing for you to be able to receive clear(er) impressions with your astral senses.
>Could I learn the details of this vessels future death from there?
Probably, but as the future is yet to be written like that, you can always change or alter it. Remember, the further away something is, the more variables there are to potentially change, even a year away is a lot, much less a (standard mundane length) lifetime.
>What substances could I injest to make my minds eye more vivid?
I've never really been one who's experimented with drugs. Cannabis helped me learn to sense energy, slowly by working with it and my mind over time I've started to be able to see shadows of it. But other than that, I'm not very much of a (drug induced) psychonaught.
Read >>>/fringe/203 for the rough sketch on immortality.
>If one can become immortal, as so implied here, then how is it done?
See above also.
>Does one become immortal in the sense of having one's cells fail to die of age?
Perfect regeneration is most accurate.
>Can it be done so as to have a dead body, but one controlled entirely by your will and fueled by an external source?
In theory, I guess, but I imagine it would take more energy than a living one.
>[degration] however slowly
It will be supremely helpful if you remove all limiting beliefs regarding this or any other (mandatory) aging related beliefs. Regarding this (freeing your mind), there can be a lot that may not immediately come to mind, and while one can also do it by careful inspection of one's beliefs, this books shall help with that:
>Question on the memory & immortality
The mind is an energy field, yes it does loop through the flesh, but if the flesh is kept in (near) perfect form this won't be a limiting factor. Since the mind is not a physical thing, you do not need to worry about storage. Simply expand your visual/eidetic/photograptic memory and you shall have no worries.
>some kind of change that leads to a shift further into the realm of hylics rather than a spiritual and mental existence?
I'm not sure what you're getting at. The whole point of this is to leave the material realm and move into, as a native, at first in part, then later in whole, the realms of pure energy (4th density or higher).
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Once you are able to let all limitations go, your primary task is to regenerate your body ad infinitum. This is most simply done by keeping a certain minimum level of loosh within oneself.
How you get said loosh is up to you, there are multitudes of ways. How much you need fight yourself due to having a flesh that decays at an accelerated rate due to lack of care is up to you, I suggest you do not make your task harder than it need be.
Immortality is not complex, au contraire it is quite simple. However simple does not necessarily mean easy.
Can make a magick to permanently increase my magickal power? How?
If so can I loop it to exponentialy increase magickal power?
this strikes me as trying to plug a power strip into itself for unlimited power.
>if it were that easy wouldnt the game be over
mb there is an STS-based method, minus looping
I was studying the pentagram, now that I am starting to see the benefit of understanding the four main elements…
And I have come upon some piece of information.
They described water as the element of silence.
I also remember reading something about sufism a while ago, where they described manifestation like baking a pie, not too long and not too short…
This got me thinking about the element of silence.
Now, I understand that inner silence is required for any type of work.
But what about the silence in a broader sense?
Do you have have to keep silent about your magic practices? Does that make it more potent?
Do you reveal your spells only after you have done them, or after their results have manifested?
What is the role of silence in a broader, and in a more practical sense?
>Can make a magick to permanently increase my magickal power?
The level of power you have available to leverage at any given time is directly proportional to your level of awareness you have. So it's very important to be constantly expanding oneself, this is done by mediation.
You can certainly use magic to increase your sensitivity by cleaning and keeping your various bodies in good health, but it's only a catalyst not the primary part of the process.
I suppose you could make a tulpa to help, but I don't have experience in that domain.
>Do you have have to keep silent about your magic practices?
I personally do not, I do like to drop greenpills left, right, & center and I'm quite open about my spirituality, however depending on who they are and where their belief system is from and what it is founded on (ideological tenements) I either choose my words to suit them as individuals or else I at least figure out how awakened they are and try to gently guide them.
Do keep in mind though, not to throw pears before swine. That is the primary thing spoken about when keeping silent is mentioned. (And in ye olde times it could get you burned at the stake.)
>Does that make it more potent? Do you reveal your spells only after you have done them, or after their results have manifested?
Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Really it more so depends on who is around and if they are wizardly folk or not. I don't really talk to mundanes about it because their sheer disbelief can unnecessarily complicate my workings. Support from others can help it manifest though as their belief-faith-energy will be added to the pool.
>What is the role of silence in a broader, and in a more practical sense?
It's a good process to employ in everyday life, to quell and bring peace to your normal mindscape thorough your day, not just in meditation. It makes it much harder for invasive energies or thoughtforms to take root. It allows you to be that bastion of the divine, not at the whims of the metaphysical currents that rule most people. And in being that shelter from the storm, you will extend an aura of peace and loving calmness to them as well.
Definitely 3rd eye but I don't think that's it opening (likely would've already seen stuff if that was the case). It's likely just a build up of energy there. Try visualising channeling it out around your body etc.
Don't force it open whatever you do
Im a Christian, and i asked this question already, but i still have some trouble understanding stuff. I've learned that the actual goal and purpose of Christianity is theosis - to become like God, because God has made us in his image, so we are Gods by grace while God is God by nature. So Adam wanted to become God, but not in the right way. The right way, according to Christianity, is achieving virtues and renouncing sin. The apple could represent occult teachings.
So i think meditation and astral projection are sins. I don't think it's the pathway to becoming like God. When i want to sit and try out meditation, it seems wrong. I get the feeling it's something bad. Just to clarify, we can't be God, but we can be like him, so trying to achieve telekinesis and wonder-work is kind of meaningless to me. Thoughts?
I think you're in the wrong place, christcuck.
What do you want us to say? That occultism isn't sin and you should try it? I think you're spiritual beliefs are misguided and you should reconsider them. I mean, come on. Meditation feels WRONG? Do you even realize that prayer is just another form of meditation? You really need to step back and look at how ridiculous you sound.
Do you honestly feel astral projection brings you closer to the All?
And do you feel spending some time with your parents brings you closer to the All instead of jerking off on fringe?
Fuck you on about m9?
>Definitely 3rd eye but I don't think that's it opening (likely would've already seen stuff if that was the case).
Not necessarily true. When I was first starting I could open my 3rd eye but I wouldn't see anything because I didn't know how to see. As I trained my astral senses I then sensory input started flowing when it was open.
> The right way, according to Christianity, is achieving virtues and renouncing sin.
That is not (a) wrong way, however your problem is a misunderstanding of what sin is. Before I go on, I recommend you read >>136 I wrote it for another Christian to explain how the fringe paradigm can be used, worked with, and walked in a Godly christ-like way.
>The apple could represent occult teachings.
It does not, and by your own admission, may, you aren't even resolute yourself in that conviction.
>So i think meditation and astral projection are sins.
Meditation is connection with God, it is being still and opening oneself up to the universe and listening. It can be other things too, prayer, as anon already mentioned, or it could be healing, laying on of hand, etc. There is nothing inherently wrong or sinful about it.
>Just to clarify, we can't be God, but we can be like him
Well, just to let you know, that is wrong. You may believe that, you may be limited like that, but it is not a universal truth.
>so trying to achieve telekinesis and wonder-work is kind of meaningless to me.
You are welcome to live you life as you please, that's why you/we have freewill.
The seed of God is in us: Pear seeds grow into pear trees; Hazel seeds into hazel trees; And God seeds into God. - Meister Eckehart
I have a counter question, how else would you presume you become (like) God then? Just keep in mind, to become like God, we would need to have access and the ability to use, in as much detail as God did/does, all the creative-manifestative powers of God. How else other than expanding your consciousness, your awareness, into-upon all that is (including God) would this be achieved?
> how else would you presume you become (like) God then? Just keep in mind, to become like God, we would need to have access and the ability to use, in as much detail as God did/does, all the creative-manifestative powers of God. How else other than expanding your consciousness, your awareness, into-upon all that is (including God) would this be achieved?
Pray our Lord and savior Cheesucks, our only hope!
The problem I have with this approach is it removes the personal responsibility for growth, which God has given to you and put on your shoulders by the imbuation of freewill.
nice get, what does that pic mean though?
>What is reverse image search
Here, but next time use tineye.com
tl;dr it's a representation of the creator, the architect of creation.
Should I kill my ego?
What are the advantages of doing so?
Read the book: The Arcane Formulas.
It is completely about this topic.
>Should I kill my ego?
You should subdue it, some call it killing, but truth be told, it's more so trivialize it's (negative) impact on/in your life and effective sublimate it to spirit rather than destroying it.
>What are the advantages of doing so?
By learning to dissociate with your ego you will no longer be ruled by and will not be bound or limited by predetermined variables (the past) and thus shall have more freewill.
>meditation and astral projection are sins
Meditation is not a sin. To understand this, imagine trying to live a life in which you never once entered into meditation. That would mean no conscious awareness of the present and no self awareness whatsoever. It would mean a life utterly devoted to meaningless distraction, a life filled entirely with worries from the past or escapist fantasies of the future. Does this sound like a holy way of living to you? Do you think Jesus was this way? Do you think God wants people to live with no self awareness and no hope of improving themselves?
(Conscious) astral projection is a skill. It can be used for virtue or vice. If you think you can avoid it know that you do it every night when you sleep (dreams), you are just not aware of it.
Any tips for speaking to my higher self & the higher selves of other people?
The method I've used is creating/going to your mental sanctuary of sorts.
Some mental realm that resonates with you and keeps you at ease. Then I just summon my higher self into a body of water and talk with it.
There is a higher self connection meditation in The Book of Knowledge. Basically it involves making a wonderland/mind palace/astral sanctuary and then calling forth to be present with you there. Basically what anon described here >>263
Personally I bring it forth into my fleshly self so I embody and move into/am transformed into it. However that is not exactly speaking per se, I receive intuitive messages not ones in language.
Regarding the higher selves of others, I can only theorize. I would presume if you're sensitive enough you should be able to evoke them like any other entiety.
how does changing the past work? I assume it's possible. I would think it's something like changing one's memories to be also aware of another potential possibility that could have been, or ridding one of trauma from an event by being present and positive while one relives it.
Anyway, wondering how it would work if 2 people work together to add an event into their shared past, or something of the sort. Is it any different than pretending/imagining it for a mundane?
I've been thinking of just packing a backpack and going on a journey around the country. I don't really have a set destination. I'll probably just pick a direction and walk or hitchhike. Got about $500 cash. I think I need a break from mundane life and internet and cell phones. I want to reawaken a passion for life and meet new people, see new things as well. I'll also have a lot of time to meditate or do energy work. Anyone have any advice or stories to share?
>See: Arcane Formulas, Raja Yoga, Personal Power, Void Meditation
> If you meditate 4 hours a day, 2 weeks of work is the same amount as some one who meditates for a year but only 1 hour a day.
56 hours in 2 weeks = 365 hours? hmm…
this appeals to my "do everything at once"/obsessive tendency.
>Through affirmation (mostly) and a little visualization I've changed the color of my hair.
Affirmation like "my hair is gold" or like "I am thankful for my golden hair" or " I am thankful for my hair color changing to gold"?
I believe it's better when you think
"I am thankful for my golden hair"
Food and water could be a huge issue for you depending on where you live and where you are going.
I did exactly that some years ago and it was a great experiance. Best advice I can give you is keep an open mind.
Walking is very slow. Stick to the trails/roads. A thick swamp or forest could take you a couple hours to go a few hundred meters.
I have some good stories that I could tell about that but only if you ask about something specific and I have a story that relates.
Here are some helpful links:
For Hitch Hiking:
For General Help + (mundane) friends:
Use your intuition.
Radiate a feeling of thankfulness when trying to hitchhike along with whatever other magic you want to do.
Check out the inedia thread, it will help a LOT.
Squat the planet is a very good resource for everything. Register an account to see all the boards.
I'd like to join you as well anon, but my path leads elsewhere.
God created us in his image. Jesus could do magic because he was God by nature, we as humans also have the ability to create as God does, but in a limited way. We wandered from that image thinking we could become Gods by scribbling sigils and meditating while chanting wierd stuff. Path to enlightenment is not obscure and hidden. God loves all his children, why would he only give power to a select few?
The Bible said if we have fautb as much as a grain of sand, we could move mountains. Fringe has been driven by the Gnostic tradition thinking that matter was created by an evil being. Not so.
Please fringe, save yourselves from this self delusion that you can become gods. This path leads only to insanity and self destruction.
Praher is not meditation. Meditation is emptying the soul, becoming blank and dull.
Narrow is the path that leads to God. Fringe, go out help a fellow human, phone your dad see how he's doing or go visit your brother. This is better than any meditation. Love, love is what separates us from the demons. "Love each other, and people will know you are my students."
Yeah I tried that, and sometime later I was given a golden rabbit.
>Praher is not meditation. Meditation is emptying the soul, becoming blank and dull.
You have no idea what meditation actually is.
You're either a dangerous shill or dangerously stupid.
>changing the past
The past is technically an illusion, and even within that illusion, there is personal perspective and perception.
>Anyway, wondering how it would work if 2 people work together to add an event into their shared past, or something of the sort.
What you saw may not have been what actually happened (in totality) and may differ from what another experienced.
>I would think it's something like changing one's memories to be also aware of another potential possibility that could have been, or ridding one of trauma from an event by being present and positive while one relives it.
Trauma is not gotten rid of be forgetting it, forgetting only happens in the conscious mind, that is merely suppressing it. Trauma is healed by embracing what it is/was as part of you, forgiving, and releasing the disharmonic energy that you held onto regarding it. You will always keep that experience, but only the good that came from it, no longer dwelling and reresonating to the bad.
>Anyway, wondering how it would work if 2 people work together to add an event into their shared past, or something of the sort.
Timeline/realm shifts, see
>Is it any different than pretending/imagining it for a mundane?
Make no mistake, mundanes do magic as well, in fact no one can ever stop or not do magic. The only difference is they are not aware of what they do and as such do it in a blind manner whilst we are aware and thus have conscious control over our creations.
>I've been thinking of […] going on a journey. I don't really have a set destination.
Good plan, and if you're open to it, the winds of fate shall treat you well.
A good traveler has no fixed plans, and is not intent on arriving. - Lao Tzu
>I think I need a break from mundane life […] I want to reawaken a passion for life and meet new people, see new things as well. I'll also have a lot of time to meditate or do energy work.
Sounds quite pleasant. I hope you find what you seek and grow splendidly.
>Got about $500 cash.
Others may say this could be a problem, a la >>269 (>Food and water could be a huge issue) however that need not be the case, even with $0.
>Anyone have any advice to share?
Smile, be grateful for everything you have and everything you shall receive (especially before it becomes manifest). Never let the manifest world darken your faith and don't be afraid to ask for help. Follow & trust your intuition.
Oh, and something legally, if possible stand off the pavement, that way you are not "in the road." Now technically the road is only the lanes, but some cops are ignorant and ass holes, this should mitigate you being harassed by them.
furthermore when asking for rides on the road side, try to stand in a place where there is room to pull over. Higher traffic flow is nice, but not always necessary the best indicator of probability of rides. It may take a while to get a ride, but it rarely took me longer than an hour, only on a few occasions was it such, and only once was it more than 2.
Keep hopeful, and know this, sometimes, things are just not in alignment to travel at that moment. Don't be in a rush to travel to your nowhere, socialize with people. Many of the folks I got rides from helped me and aside from the ride, I never even asked for more, yet I would get food, drink, money, and even occasionally lodging.
And one last thing, I would practice the Wim Hof technique if you plan on being anywhere it gets cold.
I started hitch hiking, I had nothing to my name, save my life in my backpack and will beyond all mortal drive to accomplish what I set out to do (which was travel across the country and find a new home). That I did, with nothing but faith and a smile. I traveled for months, I started off with no money, food, or even a ride. All I required was given to me, as I needed it, along the way. Never did I go hungry, and only once did I ever sleep outside (and it wasn't even that bad). I traveled some 7,500 miles this way and met wonderful people, who welcomed me as family & did amazing things. I grew in a multitude of way as a result and would highly recommend it to any one.
I have since found a home for now, it's nice and I'm going to be here, at least for a while, maybe longer. I'll see what else fate has in store as time moves on.
>56 hours in 2 weeks = 365 hours? hmm…
>this appeals to my "do everything at once"/obsessive tendency.
The longer you meditate, the deeper into trance you get. A lot of the time people spend meditating (for shorter amounts of time) is actually just getting into that state of stillness. So while it is an approximate and there is still an experience factor (once you get good at you will be able to go into deep trance in minuets or even seconds) that is the general guideline I've seen given, and I can personally confirm that it does take some time to settle down into meditation.
>>Through affirmation (mostly) and a little visualization I've changed the color of my hair.
>Affirmation like "my hair is gold" or like "I am thankful for my golden hair" or " I am thankful for my hair color changing to gold"?
See my write up on the subject >>>/fringe/662
That said, an attitude of gratitude is always very helpful as it fundamentally acknowledges it as an event that has already happened (which, technically it does exist, you are just not in that perspective presently). Hold this and you will move into that reality. You do not need to include the gratitude in the affirmation it self, you can hold it as an intention-emotion-vibration but what ever works best for you, do that.
>God created us in his image.
And in that godspark that we are, we can grow unto infinity.
>Jesus could do magic because he was God by nature, we as humans also have the ability to create as God does, but in a limited way.
Because we are not as awakened as he.
Anyone who believes in me, will do the same works I do, and even greater works
Perhaps he had a head start compared to your common everyman due to the parthenogenesisic nature of his birth but it was ultimately nothing any dedicated seeker couldn't achieve. And to believe otherwise is ignorant folly.
>We wandered from that image thinking we could become Gods by scribbling sigils and meditating while chanting wierd stuff.
You do not understand the nature of what you speak, if you did you would not shun it nor characterize it as weird.
>Path to enlightenment is not obscure and hidden. God loves all his children, why would he only give power to a select few?
It is written: Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. Only those who actually try will be given such. do not seek, too distracted they are with their bread and circuses.
>The Bible said if we have fautb as much as a grain of sand, we could move mountains.
And that is true, and I have personally seen the most improbably things happen due to simple faith.
>Fringe has been driven by the Gnostic tradition thinking that matter was created by an evil being.
/fringe/ is not a singular entity, person, or even ideology and as such I can not speak for the whole, only myself. Which in my view, matter is not evil not was it created by an inherently evil being. Now all sources and experiences certainly does point to the appearance that the demiurge has been corrupted yet that does not mean it can not be worked with or should be hated or shunned. It's just simply something to take note of and then carry onward in your workings.
>Please fringe, save yourselves from this self delusion that you can become gods. This path leads only to insanity and self destruction.
The path of the wizard is to become one with God, on the way there you certainly do become for more powerful than you normal mortal yes, and sure that power can drive you mad if you don't treat it with the literal cosmic respect it deserves, so too can any tool harm the user who does not treat it properly. This is literally the force of creation one is dealing with and should never be taken lightly.
>Praher is not meditation.
Call it what you will, but note well we clearly do not have shared meaning on the term meditation then…
>Meditation is emptying the soul, becoming blank and dull.
And as such do not presume to know what we mean when we say meditate, because it is 'not that. It is the merger of your awareness with a greater part of the collective universal-intelligence-consciousness (God). There are many ways to do such in varying degrees and with numerous aspects. The highest goal is to do it all in every way it the same time and to maintain that degree of unity.
>Narrow is the path that leads to God.
This we can agree on.
The path to immortality is hard, and only a few find it. The rest await the Great Day when the wheels of the universe shall be stopped and the immortal sparks shall escape from the sheaths of substance. Woe unto those who wait, for they must return again, unconscious and unknowing, to the seed-ground of stars, and await a new beginning. - Thoth
>go out help a fellow human, phone your dad see how he's doing or go visit your brother. Love, love is what separates us from the demons. "Love each other, and people will know you are my students."
You imply that (those of us on the STO path) do not do such things or that meditation or our other magical workings exclude being a loving individual, you are wrong.
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“To enter contemplation for the time it takes for an ant to walk from one end of one’s nose to the other, will bring more progress towards realization than a whole lifetime spent in the accumulation of good actions.” ~The Buddha
I don't intend to criticize good actions by posting this, nor am I suggesting that everyone do nothing but sit in meditation. I do want to point out that most people don't really know what is really the right thing to do in a given situation. Most people will simply do what they want or what is easy, and then justify it to themselves later as good. This is why, unless you teach people how to develop self awareness, so they can see through their own lies, and discipline, so they can do what is right even it is difficult, telling people to "just be a good person" doesn't work. A regular practice of meditation can help develop these skills, and lay the foundation for a virtuous life.
II've been getting a humming noise in my head recently; any idea what's causing it?
I'm thinking astral sense opening up.
well I'm using the Gaze I was wondering if there are other techniques or meditations I can do to increase my ability to see ether
What are some ways you can work with entities? The only one I know is evocation/invocation
Also, are rituals that you do in your mind really as effective as those you do IRL?
How good is THE BOOK OF KNOWLEDGE?
may be tinnitus or an invasive thoughtform
The BoK is pretty good. Covers a lot stuff and provides good material. Personally, its a must read. Another book that goes along the same path is the Initiation into Hermetics, by Franz Bardon. It has lots of exercises and material and will can teach you for a lengthy amount of time.
Depends on the noise.
If it is a singular type ringing in one or both ears that comes and goes, it may be an entity messing with you in some way. If you have ever been in a completely silent room and managed to hear ringing, that is the astral 'ring'. Many controlled astral projection meditations tell you to focus upon this ring when trying to AP, which I can (somewhat) personally attest to.
It depends on your level of belief. Physically doing the rituals input it into your subconscious and into awake self that you are indeed safe. (An opinion of mine is that it may help protect you more, due to the protective seal being on more than one plane of density)
One way to no longer fear beings is to understand the higher self and to focus upon it. You must understand that you are more than your astral and physical body. There is still a higher level that can remain untouched by nasty little beings. And that higher self is what is the 'real' you.
I have successfully evoked many entities, good and bad alike, without any sort of fancy ritualistic protection. The only thing I used was simple shielding that I use day to day. Once you understand that you have nothing to fear, (except for the fact of being afraid) you will not get into any trouble.
Even if you happen to meet a Gray or Reptilian, STS beings who may want to loosh farm you, remaining calm and transmuting the feeling of fear will keep them away. Act simple and casual, as if they are an average joe on the street. Maybe make a deal with them, EX: I'll give you a little loosh and you leave me alone forever.
No harm is done in the long run.
I hope this has helped you anon.
What can you do in magick?
There are a lot of things you and I can both do in magick. It all matters upon two things though. #1Experiance and #2 Faith. Understanding that you are Will/Desire and Awareness, truely helps when you try and shape reality. The book, The Arcane Formulas, goes into detail and with many meditations on building this higher awareness.
But a more specific answer to your question, whatever I desire. Desiring something is the first step in obtaining it, and obtaining anything is easy unless you limit your mind. So you must remember, we live in a mental universe. Meditate upon that and find that you can shape reality however you want.
>But a more specific answer to your question, whatever I desire. Desiring something is the first step in obtaining it, and obtaining anything is easy unless you limit your mind. So you must remember, we live in a mental universe. Meditate upon that and find that you can shape reality however you want.
So how do you actually attain something? Visualizing doesn't seem strong enough
Does it sound similar to
If so it's probably your aura being distorted by something interacting with your psychic body. This could be someone 'pinging' you by/with ESP.
http://montalk.net/about/143/e-mail-qa and then ctrl+f (question about ear ringings/tones)
IIH recommends drawing energy into your eyes for 10 minuets/day.
>What are some ways you can work with entities?
Pretty simple invocation I use in essence
>focus on sigil (if available)
>chant or focus on name/essence
This is my personal method, however I do not have lots of experience in this regard to entities.
>The only one I know is evocation/invocation
Invocation is internally summoning the energy of a thing into oneself. Evocation is the summoning of the energy of a thing into a form outside of you.
>Also, are rituals that you do in your mind really as effective as those you do IRL?
Not my, tis another anon's evocation method, but it seemed pretty good. Without further ado:
To evoke a form successfully one must imagine a form and intensify it to a degree where details start filling in. At some point every missing detail is obtained.
This technique may be used to observe a form where initially very little was known about the form. It may also strengthen certain correspondence effects, such as being able to draw out either the personality or the awareness (or both) of a target into the astral body thus formed.
Without going through all the thoughtforming exercises needed to be able to do this, you could as well evoke beings into arbitrary forms.
There are 3 aspects of evocation to attend to here:
1. The drawing out of a form into completeness.
2. The drawing out of a personality.
3. The drawing out of awareness.
There are 3 different skills to be developed independently or together. A great many tasks can be accomplished by use of the above aspects. All 3 used together is a full evocation of the intended target. A fourth aspect to consider would be the strengthening of the astral body created to make it more material, thus making it more serviceable in various ways, bringing it into physical appearance, allowing interaction with the physical environment, bilocation or teleportation, etc.
1. The third phase of evocation can not be completed without first having done the exercises in The Arcane Formulas or Raja Yoga. In other words, you must consciously recognize your own spirit first, before you can call out the awareness/spirit of another into a form. Indentification with spirit lifts you above the plane of personality which is itself a separate plane.
2. Are you trying to call upon a spirit someone else has used, such as in my case one that resides in a magickal rock given to me, and want to reach that same spirit? Feel free to give it a light body or ill-defined form then ask it after you've established communication with it to assume its true or a more suiting form that better represents its nature. It will then change the form you gave it to manifest through into its proper form.
3. Always hold the distinction between form, personality, and spirit in your mind. Noobs will fail to recognize the true form of a thing, or they will get in contact with someone's persona without reaching their awareness. A third possibility that may sometimes happen, although perhaps more rarely, is they may draw out the awareness/spirit of someone (lets say a friend) into a different persona and/or form, which will result in their friend having experienced a "dream" in which they had the form or personality of someone else. If you feel like fucking around with mundanes / neophytes / etc. really anyone that doesn't understand what I'm telling here you can make people experience and do some funny things by drawing their spirit out and forcing them to experience through the interface of a different persona or body.
4. Don't forcefully evoke someone who is on a bike or driving a car or operating heavy machinery, and if you do decide to do that anyways make sure either that they safely and automatically get to their destination while entranced / continue their work while unaware of doing so or that you give them sufficient time to recognize that sleepy-like entrancing pull and to get to somewhere they can "pass out" safely. You may also put a time-bubble around them, causing them to lose no time at all (or very little) after being evoked, so that even if you do something with them over a period of… quite a lot of time they may return to their body as if no or very little time passed.
5. You may also consult the abduction literature such as Chasing Phantoms for ideas here.
Evocation / "abduction" is something that occurs all the time and many examples of it may be found recorded in many different fields of literature, though only the magician understands the true causes and operation of the forces behind this phenomena. It often happens that people unintentionally evoke others in total ignorance of how they did it; they none the less use the same underlying process.
I think BoK is a great book for the neophyte. I highly recommend it, that's why it's in the Neophyte's Gold Library.
>What can you do with magic?
Literally anything you can imagine.
>So how do you actually attain something? Visualizing doesn't seem strong enough.
Belief is really all you need, further than that, "visualizing" or imagining (engaging every sense actually ideally) is what helps to define/project/make clear your intention to the universe, however you can abstract it into something like a sigil, spell, or a ritual then you just pour loosh into it.
>literally anything you can imagine
It would still need to be possible to manifest right? Or can I bypass it somehow?
In imagining it, you create the possibility. The only remaining question is, can you supply sufficent loosh or wait a suffcient amount of time?
What are some effective ways to supply large ammounts of loosh?
Depends of if you're STS or STO. For STO, as great of a degree of unity with the all as possible. You can ask for aid from God or other STO beings (assuming you are working for the benefit of all) or you can meditate a lot, see meditation super thread >>3 you can also use technology such as orgonite.
If you're STS loosh farm like crazy or make some demonic deals, the above methods (may) also apply.
Just remember, imagination is of utmost importance.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand. - Albert Einstein
How would you deal with a being that can only be described as "there yet not there, nowhere yet everywhere", /fringe/?
Every once and a while a mysterious lady shows up in my dreams, whispers my name to me over and over again when I'm alone and does a whole bunch of other cryptic shit. She seems to exhibit the strange trial that I mentioned above and as such can appear, disappear, multiply herself, etc… at will. Hell, back when I was in middle school I could have sworn I once saw one of her glowing eyes watching me from behind a crack in the wall.
thoughts = experience
according to this, "i am spiritually advanced" means that you will be spiritually advanced
most of the time it leads people to false security and blind egoism and self love
So are thoughts things or are they not things?
Also, if i make a video game character and make him divinely powerful, will the thoughtform be divinely powerful as well?
im a noob, i've only read the kybalion so bear with me
if the law of attraction works so well, why do LHP people use specific grimoires, rituals, drawings to get what they want?
sounds like my Anima
i've had a tonsillectomy
how do i make the surgery wounds heal faster?
I can't astral project for shit.
I lay down on my bed, wait until I feel the "buzzing" but I can't go out of my body.
Can you make a step by step guide on AP?
I've been basically meditating only on my third eye for 2 weeks and have been getting sleep paralysis for the last 3 nights in a row, last night a pale skinned man stood beside my bed while looking into my eyes, and there was a very bright light coming directly from his forehead where the third eye is located, to wade of night terrors I started thinking of something funny and the guy retreated to a corner and dissapeared, I still feel like this is somehow connected, any thoughts?
I've been having the same thing like >>278 recently, a constant ringing of the ears, sometimes stronger sometimes almost unnoticeable, but it is always there. Should I be worried about it? It doesn't hinder me in any way, I just find it strange as I never had similar experiences before
I feel like I almost achieved astral projection during a nap. I saw the basic details of my room and managed to become lucid enough to try and pull myself out of my body but I got stuck on the torso area and woke up.
Was this really astral projection, and if so, how can I not get stuck like that?
Respect the beings that you meet. But beware of the deceptors, they come in flashy light and colors and bombs people with feelings.
Also overcome your fears. If you are afraid they will come again and again and farm your loosh. See the beauty in their being, enjoy their "coolness" rather than allowing yourself to get scared.
Next step is to talk to the beings. Start mind speak and direct it towards the beings. Wait and expect a response.
>This could be someone 'pinging' you by/with ESP.
it doesn't sound like that noise but I assume that's what it is.
>If it is a singular type ringing in one or both ears that comes and goes, it may be an entity messing with you in some way.
I'm figuring it's either my higher self or someone else talking to me.
I've got a few people I've wanted to talk to since I was aware of psychic communication, so it's possible they are talking to me and I'm only starting to hear it.
AW inspired me to pick up a 3 hour daily meditation habit.
Did it for the first time yesterday and got really high.
focus on them, direct loving energy to them.
>How would you deal with a being that can only be described as "there yet not there, nowhere yet everywhere", /fringe/?
The same you would with any other entity. Talk/communicate with them as though the where present, because they are.
>Every once and a while a mysterious lady shows up in my dreams, whispers my name to me over and over again when I'm alone and does a whole bunch of other cryptic shit. She seems to exhibit the strange trial that I mentioned above and as such can appear, disappear, multiply herself, etc… at will. Hell, back when I was in middle school I could have sworn I once saw one of her glowing eyes watching me from behind a crack in the wall.
Seems like part of yourself/subconscious or a very persistent being. Depending on the nature of the encounters (assuming it's an entity) it could be an ancestor or perhaps a guardian, maybe not.
>thoughts = experience
Part of your experience, yes.
>according to this, "i am spiritually advanced" means that you will be spiritually advanced
Affirmations can depend a lot on state of mind, the intention, how you say it, and the (amount and type of) energy you put into it…
>most of the time it leads people to false security and blind egoism and self love
So if you did that from/with egoic drives it would fall short. If you did it with the earnest longing for the divine in your breast then it would be quite a bit different.
>So are thoughts things or are they not things?
They are patterns of energy. You could call those things, in that they have an existence and an effect that results from that beyond just their observation.
>Also, if i make a video game character and make him divinely powerful, will the thoughtform be divinely powerful as well?
A tulpa, as a second order being can only be as powerful as it's supply of energy. Now if somehow it became a first order being… that's another story, it would then be possible.
>if the law of attraction works so well, why do LHP people use specific grimoires, rituals, drawings to get what they want?
Because those other things help them (or so they believe, and remember belief/faith is the basis of magic) obtain results. Sometimes aspects of workings can help move metaphysical energies but you can also do that with your mind alone as well (if you are powerful/aware enough).
>how do i make the surgery wounds heal faster?
Focus-gather-collect energy on the area in need of healing and intent-affirm that it be healed or that it heal fast.
The application of intention in a variety of ways is the basis of magic; supplying it with energy allows for it to work faster.
>Can you make a step by step guide on AP?
See >>>/library/193 you can also get into the astral via dreams and so dream work and lucid dreaming is also very important >>>/library/190
I only have limited experience with that, but from what I've seen and done, here is my advice:
>Get comfortable (sitting or lieing)
>Breathe deeply and become calm for a time
>Open your 3rd eye (if you need to practice this do so)
>Project your awareness somewhere and observe what impressions you receive (if you need to practice visualizing see meditation thread super thread >>>/fringe/3 )
>Should I be worried about it?
I wouldn't. Just observe it and notice what may happen around that time.
>It doesn't hinder me in any way, I just find it strange as I never had similar experiences before
You probably did, you probably just where not aware of them.
>Was this really astral projection?
If you where using psychic senses to receive data about a location, (which it does appear) yes.
>how can I not get stuck like that?
Stuck out of body? No.
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focus on them, direct loving energy to them.
> how can I not get stuck like that?
>Stuck out of body? No.
he was asking how to not get stuck halfway out like that.
questions copypasted from the inedia thread on 8ch,
>Auntwatermelon, write a guide or a book or something. Or make a recommendation list please.
>AuntWatermelon what do you think of Neville Goddard? He seems to have a good way to get that divine intuition, a good connection with the higher self.
So how do you guys work with entities?
I myself don't do anything special really, I just get into a deep trance and call them in my mind, I usually feel the energy shortly after when I do that, but I haven't tried making entities do shit for me yet, as I imagine I would need to conduct some kind of ritual and give an offering for it to work?
>stuck halfway out
It may take some wiggling to get back in properly, but no.
>So how do you guys work with entities?
I bring stillness to myself. Call out to them and then chat. Note, I only deal with STO entities. And I layout guidelines for all that I interact with to insure that. They go like this, I only shall interact with you provided that this interaction only results in the benefit of all.
>I myself don't do anything special really, I just get into a deep trance and call them in my mind, I usually feel the energy shortly after when I do that
Pretty much the same thing I do.
>but I haven't tried making entities do shit for me yet, as I imagine I would need to conduct some kind of ritual and give an offering for it to work?
I'll ask questions or occasionally ask for help or healing. STOs typically have no issues with that.
Regarding STS interactions… I can only theorize, but I would say make sure you are very clear and precise in what you desire so you actually get that and not something else and that you are very clear in what you are offering or obliging yourself to do. Either the entity would find that deal acceptable or not, and then you can work out a new or revised contract from there.
>So how do you guys work with entities?
>I myself don't do anything special really, I just get into a deep trance and call them in my mind, I usually feel the energy shortly after when I do that, but I haven't tried making entities do shit for me yet, as I imagine I would need to conduct some kind of ritual and give an offering for it to work?
Depends on the entity. STS type entities usually require a type of payment. Most of the STO entities I've encountered do things for free.
How can I acquire actual proper heath and nourishment? Everywhere that everyone goes there is bullshit disinfo on getting /fit/, eating healthy, environmental hazards, and balancing practices. I want to be healthy in all ways, physically, mentally, and. spiritually/metaphysically.
What areas of the world have fresh air, water, and good organic resources? What parts of the world are not bombarded by pollution and radiation waves but are still livable, safe, and populated.
Is there anyway to live healthy on a budget?
What daily practices should I really put into my routine?
How often should one excersize? What are some good demonstrations on proper form excersize?
How do I get into yoga? Where can I learn to do it properly?
How do you cure/heal insanity?
How much effect can the minds of other around you have on you, what they believe about you, their emotions etc.
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She's been with me for a long time now and I finally found some sort of pattern that she follows:
Appears in dreams frequently, shows up in the dark corners of the night just to freak me out and make me feel like I'm just a useless human who can't do anything → small break where she doesn't appear at all to create a false sense of security → makes a really grand appearance in one dream to make me feel like she finally caught up to me → disappears altogether for a long time so that not only will I gain a false sense of security but also a sudden belief that she's only a delusion of mine → appears one last time which I brush aside as a delusion → a bit more absence → The cycle returns to the beginning
Also, ever since I started going to /jp/ calling Yukari Yakumo my waifu she took her form, presumably to mock me.
What can you tell me about the Annunaki and ancient civilizations like Babylon, Egypt etc.?
Are the Annunaki real? Are they STS?
Hi guys, I forgot my childhood language (0-4 yo) when I was 5.
I was fluent.
Is there a way to go into a deep trance and bring it back to the surface? Or any other method? I will need it in less than 3 months.
would a spiritually gifted human be made from the union of spirit and flesh
Does the Holy Guardian Angel/Higher Self exist?
>make me feel like
>make me feel like
Stop doing this to yourself. You are in charge of your mind, this entity cannot make you feel anything unless you let it. By thinking this way you are making yourself a victim for no reason. Resolve firmly that you will only interact with this entity on your terms, not hers.
>she loves to play with my emotions
Or is it you who loves to be played with? It must be flattering having your waifu paying you attention. Perhaps that's why you allow her to tease you.
Believe me, I sometimes think that she only tries to scare me and not linger in one place for a long period of time because she's afraid of me. Every single time I confront her in my dreams either I win or it's a draw.
I hate being played with, just in case you were wondering. I just have a thing called rational thinking that makes me doubt things that probably don't exist though, which she exploits in order to catch me off guard.
At one point after being tricked by her yet again I told myself that if I ever get the chance I'll try to deny her out of existence in a fit of anger. If anything, she's afraid of that.
That always brings me back to what her motives might be, I'm pretty much in the dark when it comes to this.
I have a very simple question:
What can I gain by studying the Kabbalah?
>How can I acquire actual proper heath and nourishment?
Health is balance and proper flow.
Proper nourishment pretty much comes from eating what the body was designed to eat (fruits & nuts). It can be subsidies with prana depending on your level of expertise.
>I want to be healthy in all ways, physically, mentally, and. spiritually/metaphysically.
Work our body out and use it, even if it's just basic calisthenics; you can do those almost anywhere with practically nothing.
Meditate and master yourself and your thoughts & your emotions.
This is is part of the previous two, but expanded on. Make sure you work out your energy body and keep it clear as well. Doing energy work and/or yoga and/or tai chi.
>What areas of the world have fresh air, water, and good organic resources?
I really don't know of whole areas, perhaps localized farms, but shy of moving to some obscure country, I'm not sure. Regarding farms, you can look into WWOOFing (Worldwide/Willing Workers On Organic Farms) or just look for organic coops. Organic stores are generally over priced.
>What parts of the world are not bombarded by pollution and radiation waves but are still livable, safe, and populated.
Anywhere far away from society, preferably modern society. You can look into maps and see where people are not. Usually rough(er) terrain is a good sign.
>Is there anyway to live healthy on a budget?
You can always start a small home garden, even if it's a windowsill one. Buying (organic) foods, especially in bulk, isn't that bad cus you get a lot more energy density than with the other "food." This combined with >>>/fringe/291 will make your good go much further.
>What daily practices should I really put into my routine?
• As many and as much meditations as you can handle, the more the better, I recommend starting with ( >>>/fringe/3 ) some #1 then #35 at daily minimum to keep your aura clear and clean.
• You should do something to get the energy flowing through the body such as #31 and/or the 5 Tibetan rites >>>/library/166
>How often should one excersize? What are some good demonstrations on proper form excersize?
When ever one is not sore from previous work, plus 24 hours is a good rule of thumb. See image. Regarding form, slowly and in control, at least 2 seconds up, 1 sec pause, 2 seconds down, 1 sec pause. If you can not keep flawless in form then you should stop and rest a set.
>How do I get into yoga? Where can I learn to do it properly?
I don't have expert advise for you here. Here is what I will say, start stretching till you can sit lotus comfortably http://www.movingintostillness.com/book/asana_padmasana.html make sure you are not stressing your knees(!) Learn and experiment with mudras (just search around for them) Otherwise, the best I can offer is youtube.
>How do you cure/heal insanity?
The mystic and the schizophrenic find themselves in the same ocean, but whereas the mystic swims, the schizophrenic drowns. - R.D. Laing
Through cultivation of your awareness and conquering your fears you shall bring yourself into wholeness. Introspection/meditation is key, so is desire, will, and belief in your own ability and power to do such.
>How much effect can the minds of other around you have on you, what they believe about you, their emotions etc.
It can be quite profound; many do not realize how much so it is. The stronger your will and/or the greater your awareness the less power outside forces will have on you and the more you will have on them.
>she loves to play with my emotions
You let her. You feel these things, you choose to, not her. She just puts you in a situation where you are likly to let yourself feel such. If you are aware of such instances, make a stand and say no. See image 3
>ever since I started […]' calling Yukari Yakumo my waifu she took her form, presumably to mock me.
Just throwing this out there, ever think that maybe Yukari maybe isn't the nicest egregor and this is actually a manifestation of her? Just a thought, take it with some salt though as I've never actually evoked her.
>Every single time I confront her in my dreams either I win or it's a draw.
Maybe you should do that more often then.
>I hate being played with
Then refuse to play.
>I told myself that if I ever get the chance I'll try to deny her out of existence in a fit of anger.
Ignorance, much less willful ignorance will not solve this problem, in will only exasperate it.
>That always brings me back to what her motives might be, I'm pretty much in the dark when it comes to this.
Loosh farming anon, she is loosh farming you.
>What can you tell me about the Annunaki and ancient civilizations like Babylon, Egypt etc.?
I haven't researched them that much but from what I have seen, they where the patron gods of Babylon. They did things for the people it return for tributes.
>Are the Annunaki real?
They where actually existent beings at one point, so yes.
>Are they STS?
It appears so.
>Is there a way to go into a deep trance and bring it [the language] back to the surface?
It is still somewhere in your subconsciousness, through either going deep into the self or otherwise devising a way to access the subconsciousness (like a servitor/tulpa) you should be able to do such.
>would a spiritually gifted human be made from the union of spirit and flesh
All humans are, spiritually gifted people are just more aware of this.
>Does the Holy Guardian Angel/Higher Self exist?
>holy guardian angel
Uh, I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to here.
>What can I gain by studying the Kabbalah?
Insight into yourself/the universe/God.
As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul. - Hermes Trismegistus
Man know thyself; then thou shalt know the Universe and God. - Pythagoras
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so i was meditating in my car today and all of a sudden i basically felt myself get what seemed like an allergic reaction, like itchy all over, then hotness in my face, got hives… just felt like i accidentally opened the floodgates on histamines or something.
did I do this by meditating or what? i had just eaten some chicken and distilled water but those things don't give me allergic reactions. just weird, all i was doing was some breathing listening to arvo part
Are slavs aliens?
The few slavs I know have healing powers, constantly astral project and amazing intuition.
And they don't even know this isn't the norm.
Kinda freaking me out.
Lmao, I'm in the very middle of slavlands and all the people I know are clueless about this stuff, but I have suspicions on these two guys, one could change his body temperature at will, and the other guy I knew could almost hypnotize people of weaker will just by talking to them
Is this test good?
I get over-active on every chakra (around 80) but heart, root and sacral (they're around 38%).
Really want to experience a kundalini rising.
Are people on /fringe/ advanced/old souls?
I noticed that there are lots of smart people here.
I live in slavlands too but i don't think people have too many paranormal experiences, although there's a lot of Vlach magic in the eastern part (Serbia), which is pretty powerful by some claims.
One question though, the reality creation redux says that whatever you hold in your mind will manifest in the future. What is the variable that decides how fast and how detailed will the visualization manifest?
I have a close friend who, as a child experienced paranormal visions pertaining to ghosts and images of the past relevant to his location. On two accounts he was described as an empath by a Nun and a mystic Christian. What does this mean? Is he prime time wizard capable
2 separate accounts and a team of nuns actually*
Yeah adding to that, that other guy I said who could practically get people to do everything for him, this wasn't your average charming guy, he wasn't even someone could call a chad, he had charm but he had something else about him, he definetly had some kind of aura to him, you could almost feel it, when we were young he told me about chakras but at the time I just brushed it off and was uninterested
Does anyone have some knowledge on the Sign of the Cross and it's power?
I think there is something really usefull to learn from this.
Is it "bad karma" to manifest multiple submissive soulmates who want to cuckquean for you
Lads, I really need some help:
>meet someone and become friends
>we're extremely similar, personality-wise
>it gets borderline telepathic between us, I know how they're going to finish sentences (even when they're speaking to someone else) & vice versa
>we don't even talk half the time, there's a comfortable silence
>one day my eyes/nose start itching, they later ask me for anti-allergy tablets
>couple days later my neck feels sore, they complain about a bad neck too
>couple days later we get a headache at the exact same time
>was running errands and caught myself thinking about them, immediately got a call/text from them
>a physic told my mom that I'm an empath (having never met, nor known anything about her beforehand)
>increasing amount of synchronicities happening day on day
I feel like I'm losing it, what has this person done to me?
I'd think simply based on the fact that they are here instead of watching tv means yes
for a kundalini rising,
auntwatermelon said he did meditation and energywork for 3-4 hours a day until it happened.
and that now he'd draw in energy for awhile and imbue "I and the Creator AM One" into all chakras, if he'd do it again.
sounds like your souls and/or higher selves are near in vibration.
maybe they drew out latent abilities. Everyone can do everything but they don't know how to do it until they do it.
I don't think the person did anything, unless they made your souls merge (and then split), which I did with someone before.
What are the main magick systems/ types of magick? Does it matter the one a newfag chooses?
all entities are thoughtforms, why not just make your own entity to grant your every wish?
Yes? Isn't that the complete reason why you create thoughtforms?
That basicly means you want to create a God, instead of becoming one.
I don't want to create a being that powerful, I was just asking, why mess with entities, when you can make one yourself? Why give offerings when you can create a servitor to do it for you for free?
Yeah, you should probably tell him to read up on Christian magick. Not my cup of tea but if he's having visions he can get real good at remote viewing. Or he'll become a nutty schizo who babbles insanity.
These sort of things just happen to some people.
Strangely enough, some things like keeping my mind silent and chakra/energy work were always really easy, allowing me to forego all the rudimentary exercises like moving awareness around my body and such.
I believe if you naturally pick up some magical abilities chances are you've managed to master them in your past life. Exceeding your past self is the real work of this incarnation.
Using magick in general in order to satisfy base desires isn't supposed to exactly ennoble your soul. I'd advise against it as I think magick has far better uses than summoning cock slaves but if you don't just manifest "anyone" in your call rather than messing with the feelings of people you know, it should be ok.
Not really, go nuts. Usually neophytes go for results based magick like Chaos magick and the stuff found in the Book of Knowledge. Formally though I'd advise you get through the theory first by going through the recommended reading in the fringe guide.
Check the flags for a quick overview on different systems, names, and research whatever name resonates with you. Your intuition got you to this point. Don't stop now.
how can I heal someone over long distance?
Depends on what you prefer. If you're going to try and heal a person them not knowing, do it while they sleep.
Imagine yourself talking to the individual (use all your senses), see them healthy happy and have them speak about it. Put emotional intensity (be real happy for instance) into it.
Same way to cure some afflictions - imagine the end result of a healthy person.
>Jerry Alan Johnsons Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy method
Either imagine or use a prop that is linked to the individual (think: "this pillow I'm using represents my friend, where I move energy on it, my friend feels it"). Can be the trickiest, because you'd have to know a lot of energy channel shit, but since it's more detailed, you would be able to be very precise in your healing.
Clean yourself and banish. Get your favorite entities sigil. Chant it's name until you feel "immersed" in a trance state (I mostly do this for 10 minutes), then emotionally visualize and "live out" the scenario necessary (again, I do 10) (put everything you can into it, all senses, all emotions). You can link the sigil with the scenario even (overlay in "flashes" on top of what you want, see the sigil shine light down on it etc.). Don't banish if entity is an ok dude, if it's a cunt, banish and be done with it. Let the energy do it's work. Maximum results if you do at the proper day and hour of the week, corresponding to the entity.
Spiritual phenomena can start, when the other dude is at a "higher frequency" than you, so you get pulled up, as well. If you haven't been getting "real sick" since that friend came into your life, and drained in his company, that's a mute point, though.
>alergic-esque hive-esque reaction
>did I do this by meditating or what?
Meditating makes you more sensitive to things, so possibly, but I rather doubt it personally. Otherwise I'm not really sure what to say.
>Are slavs aliens?
There are aliens pretending to be all the various races but most folk are humans being human.
I'll theorize here for a moment though, and that is depending on the circumstances of their childhood, they may not have had as much negative programming obscuring/concealing the innate abilities such as those, which are the birthright of all.
>Is this test good?
At best it's an abstraction. I took it awhile back it seemed ok compared to what I know of myself via intuition.
>chakras are +X or -X
Bring balance to/work on your various chakras, the real ones. Clear them out and master your mind in that area. I would personally pay much more attention.
>Really want to experience a kundalini rising.
Just, be careful mate, very careful. I recommend you do plenty of preliminary work leading up to this: >>>/fringe/39
>Are people on /fringe/ advanced/old souls?
Those who are ready and those who seek are attracted here, that certainly does fit the criterion of old souls.
>Childhood paranormal things
>What does this mean?
It means he (probably) has achieved mystical or good intuitive level of growth in a past life.
>Is he prime time wizard capable
>Sign of the Cross and it's power?
It's the sign of the cosmic quaternary, the 4 seasons, elements, etc. Because of this the inherent geometry (like many other sacred shapes and ancient mystic symbols) have inherent power in them.
>Is it "bad karma" to manifest multiple submissive soulmates
That is not how it works. You have 1 perfect soulmate, your other half, who perfectly and flawlessly compliments you in all ways, there may be others that help you in ways before you meet them, but there is only one of them. Further more, you can't adaquitly have a tantric bond with more than one individual.
That is not healthy anon.
And regarding karma, other anon already addressed most of the points; I'll just add that using magic for material & fleshly is rather counter productive to the growth of the soul. You should seek to master and sublimate your desires for anything other than ascension & God, all else is illusion and by chasing such you will probably be nudged by karma away from that and onto your life path/destiny if you are subverting it.
Your energy fields are merging, your souls entwining. As to why you may be having "problems," I would concur with anon (your soul's average vibratory rate changing frequencies).
As long as it's not causing you lasting problems or pain, it's probably energetic detox, enjoy your new awareness.
>What are the main magick systems/ types of magick?
the ways to God are as many as the breaths of the sons of men.
>Does it matter the one a newfag chooses?
You will find the path best suited for you in time, I advise you look around and choose what resonates with you. If you don't know, just explore.
Not all those who wander are lost. - J. R. R. Tolkien
>all entities are thoughtforms
Thoughtforms are entities, but most entities (I believe) are actual spirits or first order beings.
>why not just make your own entity to grant your every wish?
Because second order beings still are limited by the power of the first order being that created them.
>how can I heal someone over long distance?
My method. Project my awareness/visualize the other person, and run energy through them.
I'll start with an overview, do that and sense where the energy blockages/problems are. If my normal sweep has problems dislodging them then from there I can work on those areas in detail and with much more intensity-density of energy.
My average session goes like this, I'll clear them a bit, work on problem areas if needed, charge-cleanse-open their chakras, then do some more cleansing, and finally channel energy directly into them (as a whole) to empower system.
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all entities are spirits, how do you think a tulpa gains sentience?
>Because second order beings still are limited by the power of the first order being that created them.
Really I don't think so, a very self-limiting belief here
how do I increase my masculinity? where should I look to find the traits I want? or should I simply list them and then more as they come, recite a litany of them as affirmations with gratitude, and sculpt a sort of persona using them and perhaps a figure in my head.
so then i'm thinking mantak chia cult male sexual energy, and golden/white energy in sacral/balls to increase test, same in head to increase other hormones, visualize the hairiness i want too
Did you check the shapeshifting thread?
no; i'll check it out
>Our souls are merging
Excuse my French, but shit.
They're literally getting married next week, this isn't good. I can't cut them out of my life either (not that I want to) because I work with them.
Is there any way to halt this process? If not for dignity's sake.
Is drinking your own cum healthy from an occult point of view?
Very serious question.
some say yes some say no, I say there's no difference between drinking your cum and just not masturbating as you reabsorb the elements back into your body, in my point of view, it's pointless, but maybe I'm missing some occult insight on this, either way, I don't think it would be that much of a benefit, and cum tastes disgusting
>That is not how it works. You have 1 perfect soulmate,
orin says soulmates are those who develop alongside you spiritually.
perhaps it is 1 'perfect' person per lifetime that one finds when one is ready
>you can't adaquitly have a tantric bond with more than one individual.
oh, wow. cool. did not know that. it doesn't seem plausible in a way, but it also does. it would seem to make sense that only 1 complement is incarnated here.
unless you meant more than 1 at a time. then again i don't know if i know what a tantric unity is.
but the concept of a twin flame is the 1-and-only-soulmate. or maybe that's a twin soul. i was told by a diviner that flames are formless, so "the
one" isn't actually a thing. It's just a choice that one makes at some point, and that they truly meet when falsehoods are burnt away.
that is to say, one can probably make the choice when one isn't ready, and then they'll take on each others' energies and work through them until they are divine-er
or so I'd guess based on what this dude said.
perhaps there is only 1 "true" choice where one lives as one's best, and then finds the 1 who made the same choices. I have no idea/I wonder.
orin's twin flame meditation refers to a twin as a soulmate. i don't know what that means regarding this. After I'd do the meditation, I'd meet the person who wanted to be twins with me moderately quickly that day, and she'd be ecstatic.
I'm guessing that she was what sigmashaman called a "false flame".
>As long as it's not causing you lasting problems or pain, it's probably energetic detox, enjoy your new awareness.
>ther anon already addressed most of the points; I'll just add that using magic for material & fleshly is rather counter productive to the growth of the soul. You should seek to master and sublimate your desires for anything other than ascension & God, all else is illusion and by chasing such you will probably be nudged by karma away from that and onto your life path/destiny if you are subverting it.
the hindu gods have consorts. i desire nothing aside from a mate, and doing what i'm drawn to do/serve god.
probably i shouldn't desire a mate and desiring one is simply wistful/wishful thinking.
sure why not. but people say you lose loosh anyway. maybe if you're masturbating to yourself it wouldnt' be as bad? you're still using energy but maybe there's a "muscular" development of smoe sort.
digestion costs energy.
>cum tastes disgusting
depends what you eat/think. mine tastes fine.
you know it would be better if you specified what you wanted, is your face too feminine? are you weak? short? feel nervous when talking to people?
>1 'perfect' person per lifetime that one finds when one is ready
This is what I would call a soulmate.
>are those who develop alongside you spiritually
I would call this spirit family.
I will say this about my soulmate, once we both made a decision to dedicate ourselves to our soulmate then we manifested into each other's lives.
>all entities are spirits, how do you think a tulpa gains sentience?
We clearly have a different definition of spirit.
Spirit - The core of individualized consciousness within oneself, which survives death and rebirth and can continue growing in its complexity and intensity through numerous physical forms. It is the godspark that eventually achieves congruency and unity with God. Spirit is most developed in the Higher Self, and the two are essentially synonymous. Spirit is also the true source of freewill, empathy, and wisdom.
Soul - A nonphysical energy field belonging to living beings, comprised of etheric and astral components. It allows Spirit to interface with the physical body.
The soul can exist apart from the physical body, and even apart from Spirit. Just by itself, the soul is equivalent to a thoughtform.
With this in mind, tulpas do not possess a spirit or divine spark and only a soul. Only God (the zeroth order being) can imbue one with that, you as a first order being can not do this. Now in theory a second order being could connect to God and obtain that divine spark and become a first order being, but another first older being (you) can not do that yourself.
Thusly, it will depend on you (or another being) for energy, else it's soul will start to discohere or dissipate because as it has no core spirit, and furthermore because it lack spirit it has nothing to again project itself from for further growth. So since it can not cohere itself with out aid it is inherently vampiric in nature. If it could connect directly to God it would not necessarily the case.
>how do I increase my masculinity?
Cultivating your sexual energy will help. Not just abstaining from fapping, but actual active cultivation as well. The Initiate's Gold library ( https://www.mediafire.com/folder/myk29g5i444p6/ ) has a books on the subject, Cultivating (fe)male Sexual Energy by Mantak Chia.
>where should I look to find the traits I want?
You need to understand what Yang (masculine) is and what Yin (feminine) is. >>>/fringe/108 (the whole threads) talks, in many places, about this and the nature of their differences.
>should I simply list them and then more as they come, recite a litany of them as affirmations with gratitude, and sculpt a sort of persona using them and perhaps a figure in my head.
That may not be a bad supplemental task.
>so then i'm thinking […] to increase other hormones, visualize the hairiness i want too
Also not bad supplemental.
>Is drinking your own cum healthy from an occult point of view?
I think it would be far better if you didn't lose it in the first.
That said, it is a substance extremely rich in minerals and energy…
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You can make your servitor gather energy from other sources and technically become independent from you, which I think isn't a good idea, but just saying
>I will say this about my soulmate, once we both made a decision to dedicate ourselves to our soulmate then we manifested into each other's lives.
I want to say that I did that, but I dedicated my life to finding love/making myself better before I found the person who wanted to be my twin flame.
Maybe one or both of us didn't want it enough. Or wanted it too much! Put too much work into it when it should be simple, if not easy, and maybe difficult but not as much as it was.
At this point, I'm not sure I can dedicate my life to that 'cause it hurt bad losing it.
I want it more than anything else in this world I think.
But I'm too hurt to be ready for it, and I have somebody to help me rebuild my cracked heart.
I think the next person after her will be my soulmate. She and I will prepare each other for that kind of thing. (:
>> Spirit is also the true source of freewill, empathy, and wisdom.
not as muscular as I'd like, improper posture, my ego gets offended by silly things sometimes/i can take things too seriously, too outcome-dependent rather than focus on "it's a game/it might work next time", (both "drama" issues) impulse to be submissive sometimes (shows in body language and justification of deeds/apologies), tries too hard/gives too much and not receiving enough, "too loving" (my own emphasis), not as thick of facial hair as I'd like.
I think this about sums it up.
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That's all easily fixable without the use of magick
When I close my eyes and focus my awareness to the space above my "vision field" of darkness, I feel a surging energy in my third eye area that feels like my face is gonna explode off. This happens when I smoke weed. IT used to happen in my crown when I casually practiced qi movement while stoned and standing in the train. I suppressed it then as I do now out of fear. I know the resistance is what makes the energy painful and ultimately causing the fear.
Question is, how do I get past this? I feel like I am thinking small. Lay it on me big.
is progress faster if you do the meditations on psychedelics?
same, if the pressure gets too much I just stop for a while and proceed again after I feel fine, I do this to meditate on my third eye
Slav here, most slavs are about as mundane as you can get, especially after the whole USSR banning religion thing.
Looking back onto my childhood though, my first use of magic was when I was like 7 and my dad taught me my first autosuggestion "I'm not here" for avoiding the teacher from noticing me when I haven't done my homework. Worked like a charm but I didn't give it much thought back then.
I asked him years later, after I discovered /fringe/ and gained an understanding behind magical work about it and he agreed that the mind can certainly influence reality.
So technically I got born into a wizard family as my mum's also a herbalist that's big on alternative medicine and organic food.
Body hair doesnt seem easy to fix without magic.
The rest is learning but is faster with magic to increase energy and testosterone
Another Slav reporting in here. Most of us are mundane, but it seems to me, based on personal experience, that people accept the possibility of supernatural quite easily.
When I talk to people about it most aren't very opposed to the idea that their lives are more than it seems and that there is some other reality underlying (or overlaying, whatever) the mundane reality. It seems to me that most are not opposed to the idea of esoterica being real, they just don't feel like they can be a part of it, or are just simply not ready.
For example, once I was waiting with my colleague at a bus stop and there was a guy dressed up as a Buddhist monk too, and my colleague, who is a complete mundane only ever talking about partying/drinking/sex/girls told me an anecdote of a monk who took LSD and it had no effect on him owing it to his meditation practice and that the monk could have better trips with his meditation alone. Not to mention widespread interest in astral projection/oobe/lucid dreaming.
There are of course toxic mundanes who are more like animals than humans. Very primitive and very stupid.
Most of people in my country are extremely brain-washed by christianity though.
>how do I get past this [fear of the unknown]?
Observation, neutral, indifferent, scientific observation. Just experience what is, don't try to put it in a conceptual box, and definitely at least before you understand it.
>is progress faster if you do the meditations on psychedelics?
It can be. Drugs open up your awareness and catapult you to higher levels of consciousness than your normal state. This can be very awakening/enlightening but it can also be very fleeting. If you attempt to pull yourself up to that level, they can be used as a tool to help you learn, and eventually discard as it becomes your native state. But it can also become a crutch you never throw away, something you do for the fun of the trip instead of the learning experience.
Furthermore because you're going well beyond what you are native to, you can, if you are not careful, hurt yourself or otherwise expose yourself to harm as you don't know how to handle yourself in that state of being.
You simply would not (yet) have the required mastery of that level and thus can hurt yourself out of ignorance or lack of respect for the (in comparison) god like power you now possess over yourself if not very careful. This is why state of mind and emotion is so important.
So when you meditate you just try to reach deeper and deeper into your consciousness? Honestly I haven't done going deeper meditation in 2 months at least, all I do is meditate on chakras
I do many different forms of meditation, some are basic clearing (such as working on my chakras), some are manifesting or imagination work, and others are trance-esque where I am diving into the self.
Keeping oneself open and free flowing (energy wise) is quite important as it will help with many other things, but I view it as a foundational exercises. It gives you the capacity to act with greater strength and will, even alone it will increase your rate of growth, but much more will result from consciously taking it further.
>and others are trance-esque where I am diving into the self.
could you elaborate on this one more?
oh and, just curious how you do these
>manifesting or imagination work
>What is the best way for one to divine/path my way into a future of full self actualization?
This question is, to me, primary to the answer that is given as a result of this primary answer:
>How should one spend one's lifetime?
(That is to say, the process is the answer. I spend more time on the process then moving towards a goal/point/effect/experience. Accordingly, I'm an INTP personality type.)
I can see both consciously and intuitively that to divine/path oneself into the optimal future, to choose and live the right life isn't as simple as thinking or finding that I should just go to the gym 5 times a week, or take a college course on decision making, or figure a way to build a loosh farm. I may be grossly misrepresenting what Montalk meant about 3D thinking, but this is akin to 3D thinking, or to me, even 1D. If one ceases to need to be healthy, or can manifest health without a gym, then thousands of hours of free time have just been added to one's life. Likewise, perhaps one is best to spend their lifetime in pursuit of understanding states of mind like in Eastern religion where state of mind is all the matters. Or perhaps it is somehow provable that this world is the only world we all have liberty to reincarnate to, and so it is in every single one of our interests to figure out what sort of structure this world needs in order to create a world that has every single one of our interests in mind- surely it's just a matter of rational deduction that can include irrationality in its reasoning?- then one's "point"/life chosen is to bring this world about. Surely a lifetime spent in that pursuit, if it is to succeed, is worth 100 spent living in a world that has yet to truly unify itself, in a way that adds little to the collective, or simply "a branch" of the effects that exist in this world?
So you see, there are certainly a myriad amount of paths possible to take, but it is certain that not all paths are created equal. A lifetime spent exercising and watching sports will certainly not evolve yourself or your community or your kin as much as, say, expanding science further into understanding /fringe/ topics. And the latter pursuit is of less substance than dedicating one's life to the restructuring of society so that when (not if) someone else comes along and finally progresses mankind's public knowledge (science) into the esoteric, it is certain to provide all of mankind with a much higher, much better, much more rational, much more worthy world - and subsequently creating better and higher lives for all of us who will reincarnate there, here, in the future, because the world has been rid of those who would use such a thing in what is not the most RATIONAL(!) way to use it.
(I've been in this labrynth of multi-dimensional thinking for years now) As if every possible "answer"/cause can be deconstructed ever further into a deeper
"answer"/cause that makes the possible "effect" redundant. The answer being the reasoning for one's life or how life here is lived, the effect being the life actually lived and the lives/history being lived on this planet. (Due to the nature of deconstructing virtually every seemingly viable path I've come across, I've accumulated a vast amount of abstract potential, but very little actualization).
(Consider if this line of thinking is the end of the line for an STO evolution. Not the answer to how one should best divine/path one's life, but in the way I've explained that I do so. That is to say, a soul that solely takes into account what is inwardly the best cause for life all about, but finally totally loses oneself, one's actualization, one's own life because of it, and finally finding that it's this reason that makes every cause a lost cause. I am not this world, I am not this ego, I am not the subconscious baggage I feel when in the multi-dimensional processing of what I should or shouldn't life or my own life be based on, what life I live or actions I should or shouldn't take or the thoughts I should or shouldn't have and so on. When under the influence of drugs I feel an overwhelming pain and struggle to stay conscious of the very real, very deep revelations of how life could be processed or lived or what causes should be enacted in this world over what is such to the degree that I am pulled down by it all as if under the weight of hundreds of pounds. As such I avoid drugs.) These questions, whether we acknowledge them or not, are decided for each of us one way or another. The answers that already exist in the world that are programmed into the chain of cause and effect that we're all a part of and that this world is founded on have ALREADY been decided, making our personal questioning all that more important for each of us.
The parts I wrote not in parenthesized may be answered objectively, that is to say, answered for everyone in mind. I believe this is an important subject that requires attention, as it is center to our very lives.
To those of you willing to answer this question by directly help me, please consider what I wrote in parentheses and the following mostly stream of consciousness: keep in mind that I feel close to finally being free of this labyrinth, a personal hell, when I can look around and see the world for what it is. The primitive, low level processing, dull, mundane world that it is. But beyond that, I see what is immediately around me. And beyond that, what is immediately KNOWABLE around me. This is, to me, to accept reality as objective. When I accept objectivity: I accept that I have my own life to live, I look around don't see the future or past, I see the present moment, existence at "the ground level", purest and most direct actualization, an objective thinking. "Here", literally in NOW, it doesn't matter whether or not I live some personally mythologized life (which apparently matters a great deal to my subconscious), all that really matters are the facts of reason. That is to say, that I'm writing this post to you all, and there are reasons for why I'm doing this, and reasons for how I'm doing this. In this mode of thought, life ceases to be some "game" that needs "THE ONE ANSWER", some mythos or great hero's quest. It's like I step out of the subjective trance or daze that we're literally all in and really /see reality at reality's most real level/. This isn't akin to what the eastern mind calls mindfullness, or related ideas, because that always holds its own subconscious baggage along with it. This state HAS NO SUBCONSCIOUS BAGGAGE. That is to say that, I believe that in this state consciousness becomes the center of the mind, the ground, and I'm in total control of where it is that my mind "is" at that time because I'm at exactly where everything "is". I cease to think in mythological terms and begin to think in real terms. That reality is math, that the car driving next to me has mechanical properties that I can understand, that there are clear cut rational reactions and understandings to everything. If you and I met on the street I'd simply see another human, perhaps one with an interesting processor/mind, but a man in front of me nonetheless. The events that happen would all happen because of reason itself, because of reasons, which none of us can escape from. It's totally knowable, and the chain of reason that expresses those events are totally interchangeable based on whatever reasons I see fit. Not to say that you don't have your own free will, but in this state, at reality's ground level, there is NOTHING but free will because consciousness (excuse my need to explain this simply intuitively) "centered". It's a totally rational and utterly "sober" state. It's like I opened my eyes for the first time after a lifetime of being asleep.
This is where my answer seems to be, to me, but I find it VERY hard to reach this state, let alone maintain it for very long. Any information on what this is, how to maintain it, how to find the means to maintain it, and so on are welcome. I will consider posting my findings if and when I make the permanent transition there.
To help further intuitively frame this, put your mind into these sentences. I believe the best way to do this is to focus on what my mind is as I write these at the same time as your own.It's this "meta" thinking that is related to what reality-thinking is like: You're sitting behind your computer screen reading this, while to me, at this second, at MY second, I'm writing this out. Yet to you, at YOUR second, we're together, sitting behind computer screens, interacting as I think this out in real time. We're two different people who decided to use this site. We're both of a small category of people who have both taken the occult seriously. We're a tiny minority in the population. Even less so for having been attracted to imageboard culture.
This "meta thinking" is illuminating the subconscious baggage that neither of us ever acknowledge here on fringe, a sort of mob-mind. Everything I said is totally obvious, but still remains to be under every one's noses, taken as "a given" (much like how our "givens" is what dictates most of the actions that we take in life). It's when all "givens" are broken down to the very moment that one is in that one is in reality thinking. All givens cease to be givens, the subconscious ceases to be dominant, and consciousness truly illuminates one's choices, thoughts, and actions.
The pictures I'm uploading are done so in hopes of helping you intuit reality-thinking better by meta-thinking more. However, know that none of the train of thoughts that you may have while considering the images can directly lead you to the present moment, removed of all "givens". They may only help you intuit what it is like peripherally.
Anyway my very simple answer is to try acting on instinct, do what feels right and don't think so much about it. Don't second guess yourself and god forbid take a life path that someone chose for you.
Basically stop thinking and start trying, maybe after amassing some life experience you'll know what's really right for you to do.
Ask tipp or that other dude, as far as I can tell it's a virtual sigilification system so it's not something I'd personally use.
a lot of the time when i meditate but not all of the time i get a buzzing sound in my ear and sometimes there a pressure in it and part of my face close to that ear goes numb its the right ear that gets the pressure feeling in it but i think I've heard buzzing in both ears and usually the deeper the meditation is the more i feel the pressure i think but I'm not sure what is this is this normal?
How can you achieve a drastically shorter sleep time. (eg; a sleep of 45 mins that leaves you fully tested like an 8 hour sleep) I want to have more time to do stuff in the night (or/and day)
Can someone tell me what the Black Sun symbol really represents????
Will my physical body really become immortal if I stop believing in the culture of death?
Try it and find out nigga.
I think it's a power source akin to the Chaos sphere that chaos wizards use.
Completely normal, don't be surprised if it goes away eventually. Some say it's your pineal gland being decalcified.
Im a newb, so some things i do not understand. Do Cthulhu, Slenderman, Thor, Chewbacca and all those characters from movies and games exist as thoughtforms? We made them, people have fed them with energy (some more than others), they should exist. Does everything imaginable exist, just at a different level of reality (the astral?)? Who made us? Does the ALL blurt out thoughtforms at random?
how do I contact the being that haunts me and potentially fuck it.
if it's not a dead relative of course.
I mean, being fully rested after a short sleep time (an hour or less)
"everything" exists but not in the same sense
The more energy the idea of a being receives the easier it is to manifest.
Transferring physical senses into a videogame possible? Or should i just astral project? I don't like the latter option because i'd still have to incorporate all 5 senses and i can only do it while lying in bed…
Everytime I become lucid during a dream, very quickly I lose grasp of it and go back into normal dream mode. Any tips for maintaining it? I also have a sleep disorder that I am trying to fix. I want to make a sigil to aid in this, but I'm worried about wording it in a way that will either make me awake too much or sleep too much. Actually, if anyone knows of a book that goes into detail on the best way to word sigils I would be grateful to know.
a friend of mine told me he did psychedelics with a friend and they were inside a video game while playing it so idk
>You never have 5 fingers in a dream for some reason.
pretty sure *I* have 4 fingers and a thumb in my dreams, same as when awake. I imagine different people have different ways to figure it out. I've figured it out by trying to fly before.
I don't get the point of that 2nd pic, or where any of the info comes from. if the info is even right, what does knowing that do?
what is an hga?
void meditation, m'nigga. qmm but better
>I mean, would you jump on a train whose destination you don't know about?
yes. then i'd try to check where it's going and jump off if i have to. i've done this before lol
>It even seems that catching those presentiments and following them requires more effort than dodging them
more effort than dodging them but dodging them takes 0 effort and 0 effort = death.
slightly challenging effort is life and expansion.
Can you induce yourself into a coma for a set amount of time?
Hello /fringe/, Christian here. Anybody have any spiritual experiences they'd like to share with me?
Anybody following Franz Bardon's system? If so, links to journals of people or similar motivating stuff? Thank you very much based fringe wizards
How can an eventual neuroscience PhD student best understand magic, the occult, etc? What areas do you see as fruitful for research? I'm beginning with the neophyte books, but I'd appreciate suggestions for works that are more scholarly and could guide my research over those that focus on practices. My interest is in understanding the biological underpinnings of these phenomena.
>diving into the self
Due to the fundamental nature of all being one, yet our native awareness not being such it is going beyond our normal waking awareness to bring one's consciousness to a more expanded state.
This can be done via trance (or the repetition of a thing to self induce hypnosis to remove your normal waking consciousness) like with mantras. Sometimes I'll just do it via pure imagination.
>[How does one do] manifesting or imagination work
For imagination see >>>/fringe/3
For manifesting, it's in large imagination, but with a few more necessary understandings, see >>>/fringe/200
Improving the world for others to have a better place to live and incarnate into is noble, sure, but one is not limited by time as to when/where they incarnate. One will be born into the world (and time line) where it is best for them at that moment.
And as such improving your own conscious is always of key importance as you can't do this for others nor can physical comforts do it for them either. And to the contrary, sometimes physical hell can result is more growth than physical heaven, as adversity creates necessity and necessity breeds innovation & change.
I would also like to comment on your perspective of
>I only have X amount of time
That is one of inherent limitation, and as all beliefs that restrict growth, should be discarded.
I wouldn't say that STO results in the losing of oneself but rather that the full actualization & realization of the oneself as one-self; one with the all.
>Any information on what this is, how to maintain it, how to find the means to maintain it, and so on are welcome.
Once you can maintain it (which meditation helps a lot with) then your focus is to expand it to a greater degree of clarity-lucidity, encompassing more details in your conscious-aware-mind in each moment (thus increasing your freewill over more of reality per moment).
>Is Cybershaman good?
No tool is really objectively good or bad. You can use it for either STO or STS.
Now that said, is it practical? It can be quite vary much so in this world given how much technology we have present.
Will it help one's spiritual growth? Yes, but perhaps not quite as much as traditional shamanism.
Unless it becomes painful I wouldn't worry about (and even then it may be detox related too), as you active your energy body a lot of strange new sensations will appear. It's quite normal for "pressure" to be present where energy is.
>How can you achieve a drastically shorter sleep time.
Polyphasic sleeping or you can increase the amount of energy that you have in/running through your body a lot. Several people have reported that once you get to (or near) the point of inedia that you require much less sleep.
Barring that polyphasic is the more mundane solution; it hacks the body to send it straight into REM sleep (which is the restful stage) without the hours and hours of non-REM otherwise required before hand.
>Will my physical body really become immortal if I stop believing in the culture of death?
It will be a big first step, but it may not be enough entirely. You may just end up like Li Ching-Yuen
Else ways there are other things you can do to help (several are outlined >>>/fringe/203 ), but once all the limiting beliefs are gone there is a multitude of ways to gather the required energy for perfect regeneration, meditations, alchemy (internal and external), herbs or other natural physical sources, living in/near areas of increased natural prana (like ley lines), etc.
Some are thoughtforms or egregors, some existed as beings, possibly even with spirits of their own long before our modern age while others are creations of it and yet others, the lines blur.
>Does everything imaginable exist, just at a different level of reality?
Yes, now you're starting to get it.
>Who made us?
God, as most commonly called. Other's prefer other names, the all, source, prime creator, or a myriad of other names as well (some are true and the same as God, other's are not and are impostors.)
>Does the ALL blurt out thoughtforms at random?
No. Despite appearances, there is a grand logic to existence.
In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order. - Carl Jung
>how do I contact the being that haunts me
If you are sensitive you may be able to just still yourself and call out to it; else you may need a tool to help you, a scrying pool or mirror, a ouija board, automatic writing, or you could leave pen/paper out and ask it to write you a message. But any sort of divination "system" will work, see >>>/div/108 for examples of free form/homebrew systems.
>and potentially fuck it.
Gotta talk to it first. If you can't even do this, and assuming it is unwilling I think raping it is out of the realm of possibilities.
>Transferring physical senses into a videogame possible?
Maybe with some digital transhumanism-tier stuff, but I would strongly recommend against that.
>Or should i just astral project?
This is a better option because it involves actually cultivating yourself and not simply enslaving yourself to the physical senses.
>i can only do it [APing] while lying in bed
When you get good you can do it while sitting in meditation, or if you're magus tier you could do it even while your physical body was doing other things. (Leaving part of your awareness piloting it.)
Aside from simple affirmations or maybe a thoughtform or the like, I'm not sure.
This I can help with. Make them present moment/time declarations of what you desire to become manifest as the reality you experience. Avoid words like want (as this technically makes it a declaration of a lack of something and also is future tense). I would etymologize the words you desire to use via wiktionary or the like.
"It is my will X" is a pretty good basic formula.
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>Hello /fringe/, Christian here.
>Anybody have any spiritual experiences they'd like to share with me?
Not much from when I was Christian esque. Got a feeling things would be alright when I prayed (they weren't) and stopped strongly believing in god, then years later smoked weed when I was depressed for about a year and then got an insight that I'm responsible for making the world tolerable for myself.
Years later in a Christian church I meditated and got really hot and so did people near me.
Idk if it was me.
Nowadays I regularly get high on energy from going to Hindu temples. The spiritual energies there are generally better than the Christian churches I've been to.
why uh oh? I'm not here to be all "WITCHCRAFT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" just stumbled upon this place from 8ch
thanks for sharing
By heading straight into Logos Occult instead of heavily Mythos oriented occult books.
Supplement that with regular Mythos/Intuitive oriented books regularly recommended to neophytes.
theres a thread on 8chfringe about yoga
i'm kidding (:
about half the time the christians are somewhere between
>magic is sin
or somesuch is all
Magic IS sin. You may try to ascend into higher consciousness by yourself, but that which is of the flesh can only bring that of the flesh, that which is of the spirit can only bring spirit. And to be born again by the spirit means to enter the kingdom of God.
You realize you practice magick every day, right? To think that its sinning is like considering the act of thinking as a sin. That is to think that 'praying' is a sin. Is meditation a sin? Is thinking a sin? Fuck dude, even the fictional chracter Jesus did magick. Your brainwashing is so blatantly obvious. Do you enjoy our curse-rigged life? How does it feel knowing that, every day, you sin? Does it help you 'ascend'? Perhaps you just typed a typo. Perhaps you mean you just intend to 'descend'. Pic related.
That's dancing on thin ice. Jesus could do magic because he was God, not because he was a really high level magician. And the apostles did not do magic, it was the power of God, and you may say well that's what people described it as, well there's a perfectly good reason to ascribe all magical things you do to God, it's to simply avoid egoism and falling into Pride, the deadliest sin of all. That's why i think Pride is something we as humans can't overcome, because if we overcome Pride then we are proud because we overcame it. If someone else did it for us, there's nothing to be overly proud about.
Now, prayer is not something that will make you powerful on it's own, it's the prayer in heart that matters, you are not simply repeating a phrase forever, it's the feeling you hold towards God. You are asking God in your heart to help you, if you just say it to become a wizard, then your drives are ego centered, not God centered.
>Jesus could do magic because he was God
>Implying we are not all God. Even if you believe that a higher being created everything, we are still part of that something, effectively making us God.
>it's to simply avoid egoism and falling into Pride, the deadliest sin of all.
top kek. Killing your fellow brethren is less of a deadly sin then pride? What the fuck. You must be fun at parties. Secondly, why isn't anyone allowed to be proud of his creation? Isn't 'God' proud? He surely is because he wants people to worship his omnipotence every fucking moment. He seems to be disobeying his own set of broken rules.
>If someone else did it for us, there's nothing to be overly proud about.
>You are asking God in your heart to help you
So, essentially, we are not to do anything but be drones for God. We are not to cultivate ourselves. Quite literally, this entity posing as your 'God' wants to prevent you from reaching Godhood yourself by all means possible. Can't you see that this is the case? He doesn't help you. He makes broken promises and lies to you.
Also, I see you did a good job at avoiding all of my questions. Thought forming is Magick, too. You just aren't aware of it maybe. Doesn't mean you don't do it. You are intricately connected to the astral.
>That's dancing on thin ice.
Extremely apparent projection. And very accurate for your situation too. You are making everything so hard on yourself. You have been enslaved by YHWH. How does that feel? Your his bitch. Wake up, dude. Its not too late. Unless you want to end up in the a soul farm– err, I mean 'kingdom of heaven'.
read these, they are answers for christians.
> if we overcome Pride then we are proud because we overcame it
why would you think that?
satisfaction =/= pride.
contentment of accomplishment, say, being relieved you passed a test, is that pride?
you can simply feel love for passing, love from god or whatever.
Pride is the original sin. You know the tale, it turned Lucifer into a demon.
I tried Arcane Formulas, I tried everything fringe told me to, i read the books, and honestly, it's a load of shit. It always left me beaten down and depressed, and when i listened to some fathers preach, when i prayed to God, when i read the New Testament, i instantly became happier. People actually wanted to talk to me and they didn't make me feel i was a creep. I gained motivation to do stuff and go out and be kind to people.
What did magic do for you? Taught you to fap to ebola chan and scary sigils?
Feeling relieved, no.
Feeling like you're very smart, yes.
> it's the feeling you hold towards God.
you're right about that at least.
>that which is of the flesh can only bring that of the flesh, that which is of the spirit can only bring spirit.
yeah… so ascending by yourself is using flesh + spirit either way. if god took care of everything then we'd all be babies/wouldn't have to do anything. we work for our ascension alongside god if we're STO.
>And the apostles did not do magic, it was the power of God,
literally the same thing.
>Feeling relieved, no.
>Feeling like you're very smart, yes.
maybe that's just your problem, you don't have to pretend it applies to everyone.
when i accomplish something that is god-centered, I feel happy
> It always left me beaten down and depressed,
when i was a Christian i prayed to god asking for something to get better (more than 1 time). I got the feeling it would.
it didn't. not for a long time
that made me beaten down and depressed. so I guess that means Christianity has no merit, if i applied your reasoning.
>People actually wanted to talk to me and they didn't make me feel i was a creep.
you know how animals can sense emotion and people's intentions and stuff?
humans can do that too. if you feel like a creep people treat you like one. if you feel godly people treat you that way.
that's why psychopaths and narcissists get what they want. they feel either nothing that gives them away or they feel great about themselves.
eh. fear is an illusion.
love is the higher truth.
>the tale, it turned Lucifer into a demon.
and how do we know that?
>What did magic do for you?
divination helped me a bit.
besides that, i haven't used magic much. I work with energy/meditation/manifestation and that's probably basic magic/muscles. I ask God/Source for stuff, and meditate to connect to my Soul/Spirit/beings that help me develop.
You can meditate and bring Christ consciousness into you.
That's what Hare Krishnas do, basically. They're awesome. Much better spiritual energies than most Christian churches i've been to, and the people there are generally obviously kinder.
>when i accomplish something that is god-centered, I feel happy
and humbled when i receive providence too. abundance consciousness and humility work just fine to use as magical tools. It's connecting to God's will. Does God really frown upon magic? According to whom?
If I ever learn "real" magic, I'll use it for mostly divine ends. We get what we give, and always enough is the thing.
Magic might not be for you, but that's not a huge deal. Leave people to their business; if god dislikes it so much they will be Smited or whatever.
Eastern stuff like qigong, energy healing (reiki, something like what Jesus did), meditation are the things you want if you want to have something "magical" but within a realm that is more a tool than a system of beliefs that contradict anything. Taoism applies to everything, it is just flow of the universe, no religion needed, supplements any as far as I know.
good luck getting over your preconceptions, if that is what you will do. if not, I'm not sure why you are here, except maybe to deter other christians from changing/expanding their minds.
ascending by yourself in this analogy means being born of the flesh…
and the thing about people sensing your intentions, yes, that is true, but i have felt godly before
but anything before christianity has been like a waterfall
you are soaring in the heights, but after all there's a botomless pit waiting for you
christianity is a like a boat in still waters, the wind guides you somewhere, you don't know where, you don't know where it's coming from but you can hear it
the holy spirit is the wind
>christianity is a like a boat in still waters, the wind guides you somewhere, you don't know where, you don't know where it's coming from but you can hear it
>the holy spirit is the wind
literally the same thing as meditation.
all it is is surrendering to higher will than yours. you don't know what that will is, but you've been told what to believe about it, and it's comforting because it's bigger and it tells you everything is ok.
like if a mother tells her child everything is ok, the child believes it fully and is at peace. but the mother can lie about it too.
>ascending by yourself in this analogy means being born of the flesh…
from what I understand, full ascension is turning your body into light and going into another plane.
or if one doesn't go that far then it's becoming selfless enough that angels take note of you and ask if you want to go up
meditation is connecting to the holy spirit. the godspirit within us all.
from waht i understand, anyway.
i don't believe in much of any religion fully, because people like to control other people by adding their own stuff (x is a sin because i can't control you unless you're ashamed of doing x)
don't take the flesh concept too literally… flesh in this case means something human, that is christianity postulates that without god all human effort to reach the sky (tower of babel) is in vain
christianity isn't the worst thing, and it's deeply rooted in you, obviously, but there are christian mystics too. magic isn't shunned by saints/etc, only by the church which seeks power over man. why else is it so corrupt?
>christianity postulates that without god all human effort to reach the sky (tower of babel) is in vain
not incorrect. but if those who build the tower ask for god's blessing, would it not have been built just fine?
well that's what christianity is all about
his will is for us to become gods BUT only through his power, not ours
Ok. What makes you think magic is our power and not his?
A lot of it is an application of energies within us. Yes, there are outside entities too, but one doesn't need to bother with that.
So be STO (service to others) and pursuing magic/energy stuff seems fine to me.
And even if magic is objectionable, manifestation=praying=basic magic.
and energywork is cultivating awareness of energies from within and can be brought in from outside. and reiki is connecting to divine source to heal.
all magical, with less and less possible conflict with any religion, but the church would potentially still deny that sort of thing to disempower people. Probably… because people are often dicks!
Well, you do have a point about that.
somebody here can confirm that techniques from Book of Knowledge are legit?
I can confirm that they are legit.
Personally I wanted to ask the people on this thread if they know the origin site the book of knowledge originated from.
Fuck off, this book is trash.
How many sigils can I have active at one time and maintain their effectiveness? Do sigils need to be recast periodically? Would hiding sigils inside of memes that potentially get reposted by others make them stronger? Any way that could backfire?
**Sorry for the previous post
Just thought I'd share some of my experiences as I make meditation a regular part of my life.
I've been reading /fringe/ books and meditating regularly for a few months now - at my level I can simply enter a mild state of trance in which I can see the stirring of the air around me - I would describe it as seeing 'white noise' in the air. Sometimes shadows and little spots of distortion seem to gather at my vision's peripheral and make me uneasy, but I usually manage to get over the uneasiness. I meditate in a dark room late at night with a small altar - sometimes with a single small candle or sometimes no light at all.
My own body seems to omit smokey whisps of this stuff (is it energy? or someting else?) - and when I focus on creating a thoughtwave I usually bring my attention to my hands and put them in position to make a ball… I keep my eyes open and sometimes manage to see distortion akin to LSD washover effect in the air between my fingers…
But just tonight as I was meditating I felt a rather "thick yet wet" sensation all around and in my right forearm/hand. And just for a few minutes I could barely see some strange movement around my hand and wrist. It was as if a small snake was making spirals around the contours of my arm. I saw several smaller bits of what I think might be other wriggly creatures. As I lost focus to becoming worried or excited at the prospect of the sensation being a good thing or some kind of blessing, I left my shallow state of trance and terminated my session prematurely.
Any ideas on what might be happening to my arm? When I snapped out of it, the skin around the arm was very damp.
Also, I could anyone expand on the idea of leaving sigils alone?
For example, to me it seems that if I create a sigil for some goal, wouldnt it be a good idea to constantly charge it, until it manifests? It seems that a lot of people say that you should just leave it be.
I mean, I get the idea that REMEMBERING the sigil all of the time can interfere with it manifesting, but cant you just WILL something in to existence?…
Can anyone who actually has constant results do a detailed explanation of this please?
>what does knowing that do?
Knowledge is power
>where any of the info comes from
Believe it or not it's all in the bible, it's just encoded. Santos explains much of it quite well:
>Can you induce yourself into a coma for a set amount of time?
In theory, yes, but why would you want to? Is that your primary goal or do you just see it as a means to an end? If the latter manifesting the end directly may be easier.
>Hello /fringe/, Christian here. Anybody have any spiritual experiences they'd like to share with me?
There is lots to be experienced via meditation, but for some one such as yourself, without shattering your paradigm too much, I'll say chant:
I now call forth a complete and full baptism of the Holy Spirit. I Am that I Am. Aum!
For awhile and you should really start to feel it; else-ways, stick around and learn about the more esoteric side of your belief, it may surprise you.
>How can an eventual neuroscience PhD student best understand magic, the occult, etc?
By understanding what the mind (which is the aura) is and how it operates on a nonphysical level and that creates the flesh.
>What areas do you see as fruitful for research?
>>>/fringe/899 contains a lot of great information, furthermore I would recommend
While it may not seem related, due to the fundamental unity of all, an understanding of how the medium of the aether (the unified field) works also provides good insight, in fact if you go deep enough you will be hard pressed to actually find anything that does not relate to another thing.
http://montalk.net/science/109/scalar-superpotential-theory (be sure to follow sublinks too)
Some of the above may not seem directly relevant, but I assure, at some level of the fractal, they are. Also
Something to keep in mind, especially in regards to all the more engineering framed things is, your consciousness-body can (and does) use energy via the same mechanism and you can, through turning inward, learn to control this, even to the point of remaking your flesh with raw energy or even into pure energy entirely.
>Magic IS sin.
This has already been addressed elsewhere, if you have further commentary on such I will entertain in, else it stands unrebutted.
>You may try to ascend into higher consciousness by yourself, but that which is of the flesh can only bring that of the flesh, that which is of the spirit can only bring spirit.
What ascension is is the conscious merger of the self with divinity. Ascension is transforming the flesh into a greater degree of perfection, or you could say into a moving into a greater degree of unity with God.
>Jesus could do magic because he was God, not because he was a really high level magician.
Exactly, because he had a higher level of unity with God, he could create and influence reality as God does because he was a conscious part of God.
This is what the path of the wizard is all about, awaking to that.
>And the apostles did not do magic, it was the power of God
Here you getting worked up over terminology. The change one achieves via magic is through merging oneself with God (in part); when you can do it in whole you become God, in complete conscious cocreative unity and union with him and as him and with all of creation.
>and you may say well that's what people described it as, well there's a perfectly good reason to ascribe all magical things you do to God, it's to simply avoid egoism and falling into Pride, the deadliest sin of all.
Pride can feed the ego and that is certainly a thing that holds many in illusion; though I debate whether or not pride is the worst of them. It is my opinion that all ego limits you, but gluttony (the lust for food which grounds you and limits your ability to even sense the spirit) is arguably worse for you can have one who is prideful (in an an egoic way) that yet still understands degrees of unity with God.
>That's why i think Pride is something we as humans can't overcome, because if we overcome Pride then we are proud because we overcame it.
That is not how ego death works.
>Now, prayer is not something that will make you powerful on it's own
So as you believe it shall be.
>it's the prayer in heart that matters
For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he
>you are not simply repeating a phrase forever
This can aid in programming the subconscious as much as actually manifesting reality itself.
>the feeling you hold towards God.
This is a very important aspect of any manifestation/magic.
>You are asking God in your heart to help you, if you just say it to become a wizard, then your drives are ego centered, not God centered.
And this is not necessarily true. If you seek out of genuine STO it is God centered.
>What did magic do for you?
It allowed me, though insight into myself/God to totally transform and change my life, my body, my mindscape, both thoughts and emotions.
Prior I was what one may call "a pitiful excuse of a person" I had literally more than a dozen different dis-eases, several of which where said not to be curable. All of which I have healed and transcended.
Though magic (insight into God) I've achieved not only that but also learned how to achieve perfect everlasting peace, peace that transcends situations. A level of unity with God that is literally beyond words, and sensation on a daily basis of the love flowing forth from God that comforts and energizes me.
Part of that is also mastery of emotions and thoughts and the insight into how to transmute them. Another facet is though my union I can be a greater channel of divine love, in addition to literally powering my flesh it also empowers granting me the ability to heal others as I have been as well.
I am a totally different person now that I was before I started this journey. Before I was quite worldly, mundane as we call it here, chasing idle sense pleasures now I am in the world but not of the world, I work, live, and breathe in the name of divine love; and it brings me joy unbounded to do such.
>you are soaring in the heights, but after all there's a botomless pit waiting for you
There may be a pit of illusion, but having seen through the illusion (of separation) I shan't ever succumb to it for now I know better.
>ashamed of doing x
Just to comment on this, shame, and indeed any negative emotion is a undesirable thing. Through negative emotions you may learn that certain things are undesirable, but once you do learn there is no reason to feel such.
The concept of original sin is just a way to control people via guilt. You may be flawed, but you are always striving for better.
>[is] Book of Knowledge are legit?
Totally legit, quite powerful, and quite information dense (useful things/pages); highly recommended.
>[does any one know] site the book of knowledge originated from?
No idea. It appeared on /fringe/ I don't know if it was written by anon or just discovered and shared. It's title is pretty much to generic to really find much in a search. I tried.
>How many sigils can I have active at one time and maintain their effectiveness?
That depends on you, and how thin you want to spread your loosh. The more sigils you are magicing at once the slower they will all manifest or the less effective they will be otherwise.
Their individual nature and the amount of energy you can put into them will be the determining factor.
>Do sigils need to be recast periodically?
You can, personally I keep charging the sigil until it manifests, but that may be over kill for pimplier things, I would say it depends on how much reality you are trying to alter.
>Would hiding sigils inside of memes that potentially get reposted by others make them stronger?
Quite possible. Depends on how dank it is (which directly effects the resulting popularity).
>Any way that could backfire?
Of course, with any self evolving system you can never be totally sure how it will end up. But I think chances are pretty slim.
>Sorry for the previous post
All is fine, do better from now on.
>My own body seems to omit smokey whisps of this stuff (is it energy?)
Will it's probably not physical, so yes.
>attention to my hands and put them in position to make a ball… I keep my eyes open and sometimes manage to see distortion akin to LSD washover effect in the air between my fingers
Looks like you are starting to develop basic clairvoyance.
>Any ideas on what might be happening to my arm? When I snapped out of it, the skin around the arm was very damp.
Sounds like there was some sort of semi-nonphysical creature there; perhaps a spirit animal?
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>could anyone expand on the idea of leaving sigils alone?
A sigil is an intent/affirmation upon reality, if you pay it no mind, if it is given no energy little will happen, though it will stay the same (in meaning). It matters not if you charge it or another.
>For example, to me it seems that if I create a sigil for some goal, wouldnt it be a good idea to constantly charge it, until it manifests?
>It seems that a lot of people say that you should just leave it be.
As previously stated, if it's something minor, firing and forgetting may suffice. If you are attempting to min/max your loosh, this may be a consideration, but you also run the risk of causing delays in manifestation with such as well.
>cant you just WILL something in to existence?
Yes, it's call reality manifestation >>>/fringe/200 Sigilizing intent is just an abstraction of it.
>Can anyone who actually has constant results do a detailed explanation of this please?
All magic, is in some form a declaration of intent to reality of what you desire to expedience/become manifest. There are many ways to spell out your intent, to make it clear (imagination), or to otherwise impress your will in a clear way.
The more intention density (my term: energy+desire*time, clarity/vividness of intent is important as well, but is a factor of energy) the faster the manifestation will come about.
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>It allowed me, though insight into myself/God to totally transform and change my life, my body, my mindscape, both thoughts and emotions.
it seems I have the same goal, any tips on how to accomplish? Especially the transforming your body part? I already practice some of the methods in the shapeshifting thread here on fringechan, but I can't recognise disinfo
High quality answers, thank you.
>any tips on how to accomplish?
Awareness, typically achieved by lots of meditation and daily minute-to-minute self observation.
Is a goldmine regarding becoming aware of your buttons.
>Especially the transforming your body part?
When you visualize or otherwise intend part of your body to be in a different form you are altering your energy body, which creates your physical one; assuming you do not have any limiting beliefs, it will start manifesting changes as soon as you do such. You can do anything you can imagine.
Sometimes dis-ease has taken physical form and can require (extensive) work to unmanifest it, take consolation in that it is happening and keep faith & persistence. It may take time, maybe days, maybe weeks, maybe even months, but it is nonetheless changing.
Cultivating your energy, making sure it is not stagnant and of the highest vibration and/or otherwise collecting large amounts of it will of course aid this process greatly.
Huh, so would diseases take more time to unmanifest than unwanted bodily features? also good resources on
>Cultivating your energy, making sure it is not stagnant and of the highest vibration and/or otherwise collecting large amounts of it will of course aid this process greatly.
would be appreciated, sorry for the newfaggotry
Basically what I did to achieve huge gainz back when I was mundane was look into a mirror (A full body sized one would be preffered) and projected the image I wanted to see onto it. Basically by changing my perception of myself I changed myself along with it although unknowingly at the time. I just thought it was a result of working out but you don't make such huge gains in that short amount of time without some magick in the mix.
>so would diseases take more time to unmanifest than unwanted bodily features?
Not necessarily so, but it depends on how much energy is crystalized, to what level/extent it is, and how natural it is or the state you are trying to achieve is.
Forgiven, we where all there at one point, just don't forget to lend your knowledge to others as well when the time comes for you to teach what you have learned.
I also mixed affirmations like: "I'm a buff guy" and "I am a beast" etc. Now these affirmations aren't the best but I used them as a mundane and I got pretty solid results. With some tweaking this process can be used for a slew of other things as needed by the practitioner.
kek I already do that for 2 years, thought admittedly not as focused as standing infront of the mirror, but when I go to sleep I visualize gains until I fall asleep
oh so getting rid of unwanted bodily features would be really hard right? because it's already "crystalized" into place?
>he does it for free
>rid of unwanted bodily features would be really hard right?
As said before, not necessarily so, something like say a mole or scar tissue would not be as hard as say a bone that mishealed.
>saging a sticky
>you are bad
>this is bad
How about giving some reasoning. Reason, being what the book champions. In fact, it's made for people who appeal to reason, to truth. So that must be why you think its trash, isn't it?
there is a thing i can't get over while im meditating, whenever i close my eyes and try to focus my mind, i start to feel dizzy. i've tried to push it through, but its getting worse with each second. what is the reason, how to get through?
What kind of meditation?
any of them actually, lets say 75% of times when i try to meditate, before i'll reach state of deep calmness, i have this problem.
Hay, /fringe/ I'm fairly new to practicing this stuff and need some help.
I've been studying this for a few months and have gained the some basic ability such as reading peoples emotions, sensing the location people and animals to a degree and making thought forms but I'm not sure where to go from here or how I should hone my skills or develop new ones.
I'm troubled and discouraged by the idea that some of this my be dis-info for I don't trust my ability to discern useful information from the dis-info because chances are there are aspects to this that I haven herd about and don't want to spend hours trying to comprehend some thing to find that in the end was wrong or led me no where this would be a hindrance to my progress am I wrong?
My current goal is to dramatically increase my longevity and changing my appearance any thing pertaining to that and any books that are recommend would be much appreciated.
In short I'm looking for guidance.
gather a lot of chi and exercise nadis to allow divine energy to flow through you is essential for everything
I have this problem too. Sometimes its a dizzy feeling sometimes its more of a nausea and skin crawling.
what is the best/strongest way to invoke an element? say I want more fire for willpower.
Is there a way to do it that is slightly-but-manageably reckless?
I'm not interested in working with entities though, I don't think. Not until I am more aware of the implications.
Should I simply do meditation/energywork for hours and invoke kundalini/I and the Creator Am One and then go from there?
(i did kundalini already once but that was 2 months ago and I've regressed a little I think but overall stabler than then)
Is there a foolproof method to using I and the Creator am One mantra?Everytime I try it I don't feel it(?). If there is a detailed explanation it would be helpful.
Let's talk about super-charging your magic. What if you draw a sigil with your intent in your penis, and do sex things with a group of Wiccans?
What is your honest opinion of those who learn the ways of the paranormal without books and shit?
Cum and blood(even period blood) and can be used to power and enchance rituals.
Group magick also improves magickal power.
So I suppose that if you made an orgy with magickal intent where everyone cut themselves, that would result in a very powerful effect. Somenthing you had never seem before.
But doesn't look practical to me.
All that looks like an excuse, but… have fun.
How do I keep up my motivation for magic?
Usually I get a great passion for magic and begin studying and practicing. But after awhile, it burns out and I fall back into the mundane pit I had crawled out of.
I'll take any and all help.
so 25% of the time it's just fine? Perhaps by holding on to that feeling of the times in which it works you can transmute the others.
It kind of sounds like some sort of entity or maybe an aetheric/astral parasite or other auric imbalance.
>I'm troubled and discouraged by the idea that some of this my be dis-info for I don't trust my ability to discern
My approach follows those lines as well. And how I arrived where I am is detailed >>>/fringe/193 From there, by assembling all the data I had collected I could take all the various perspectives and then testing them and attempting to falsify them I could start to discern the holographic kernel of transcendental truth.
>chances are there are aspects to this that I haven heard about and don't want to spend hours trying to comprehend some thing to find that in the end was wrong or led me no where this would be a hindrance to my progress am I wrong?
You are, such things may be necessary, I won't say I haven't waded through waist high disinfo before. The main thing to keep in mind is how it compares and fits with what you know (and have tested) to be true. But without at least a small kernel of truth, this may require the collection of more data until you can discern it. Now with /fringe/ this is somewhat mitigated as several of us have already been there & done that, so you can start with and build off what we share instead of going in blindly like many of us have had to in the past.
>My current goal is to dramatically increase my longevity and changing my appearance any thing pertaining to that and any books that are recommend would be much appreciated.
For regeneration see immortality post >>>/fringe/203 what immortality is is perfect flawless regeneration. Recommended books include:
God-man - the word made flesh by George W. Carey
and (according to other anon's) the works of Hilton Hotema
Regarding changing the appearance/flesh, see >>>/fringe/434 and the shapeshifting thread >>>/fringe/811
>In short, I'm looking for guidance.
Remember, seek and ye shall find. Persist and it shall be.
>what is the best/strongest way to invoke an element?
I like the Initiation into Hermetics method, which is basically the densifying/collecting/swirling of the element(al energies) into your self.
Fire, with its expansion or extendability in all directions, has the specific quality of heat, and therefore is spherical. Let us then, first of all, acquire this quality and produce it at will in the body as well as in the soul. In body-control we chose an attitude allowing us to remain in a comfortable position, free of any disturbance; Indians call this position asana. For the sale of better understanding, we shall also use this expression henceforth. Take the asana position and imagine yourself in the center of the fiery element which, in the shape of a ball, envelops the universe. Imagine all around you, even the entire universe being fiery. Now inhale the fire element with your nose and, at the same time, with your whole body (pore-breathing). Draw deep breaths regularly, without pressing air or straining the lungs. The material and the astral body ought to resemble an empty vessel into which the element is being inhaled or sucked in with each breath. This heat ought to grow more and more intense with every breath. The heat and the expansion-power must become stronger, the fiery pressure higher and higher, until you feel yourself at last fiery red hot. This whole process of inhaling the fiery element through the body is, of course, a purely imaginary occurrence and should be exercised with the utmost plastic imagination of the element.
Air, what has been said about the fire element applies in the same way top the air element, but for the fact that a different imagination of the senses has to be considered. Take up the same comfortable position, close your eyes, and imagine yourself to be in the middle of a mass of air that is filling the whole universe. You must not perceive anything of your surroundings, and nothing should exist for you but the air-filled space embracing the whole universe. You are inhaling the air element into your empty vessel of the soul, and the material body thorough the whole-body breathing (with the lungs and pores). Every breath is filling the whole body to an increasing extent and with more air. You have got to hold fast the imagination of your body being filled with air by each breath in such a way that is resembles a balloon. Combine it at the same time with the imagination that your body is becoming lighter, as light as air itself. The sensation of lightness should be so intense that finally you do not feel your body at all. In the same way you did begin with the fire element, start now also with seven inhalations and exhalations. With this exercise done, you should again have the positive feeling that not the smallest particle of the air element remains in your body, and consequently you should feel in the same normal condition as before. To avoid any counting, use the string of beads again. Increase the number of breaths (inspirations and expirations) from one exercise to the next, but do not exceed the number of forty. By constant practice of this experiment, adepts will succeed in producing phenomena of levitation such as walking on the surface of water, floating in the air, displacement of the body and many more, especially if one concentrates on one element only.
Water, take up the position you are accustomed to by now, close your eyes, and forget all around you. Imagine the whole universe is an enormous ocean and you are in the center of it. Your body becomes filled with this element with each whole-body breath. You should feel the cold of the water in your whole body. If you have filled up your body with this element in seven breaths, you should empty it with seven breaths. Not the smallest amount of water element should remain in you at the last exhalation. Here again the string of beads will be a great help to you. With each new exercise, take one more breath. The more often you practice this exercise, the more distinctly you will feel the cold properties of the water element. You ought to feel, as it were, like a lump of ice. Each of the exercises should not exceed twenty minutes. As time goes by, you ought to be able to keep your body cold as ice even in the hottest summer weather.
Earth, take up your routine position as you did before. This time, imagine the whole universe being the earth with yourself sitting in the middle of it. But do not imagine the earth as a lump of clay, but being a dense earthy material. The specific property of this earthy material is density and gravity. Now you ought to fill your body with this heavy material. Begin again with seven breaths and increase one breath more with each new exercise. You must manage to concentrate so much of the earthy material into yourself that your body seems as heavy as a lump of lead and almost paralyzed by the weight. Breathing out happens in the same way as it did in the other exercises. At the end of this exercise you ought to feel as normal as before the beginning.
To aid in further understanding of the energetic nature of each element, I am also a personal fan of Zivorad Mihajlovic Slavinski's description of the elements (as featured in Transcendence).
The air is thought. It permeates everything, but is invisible; only its effect can be felt or seen.
Fire is emotion or feeling. Its main characteristic is expansion and inconstancy, changing of shape. We often say emotions are warm, heated, changeable and fickle.
Water is psychic image. It is the only element in which reflections of objects and people, beginning with the unhappy Narcissus who fell in love with his own reflection in the spring water, naturally appear.
Earth is bodily sensation – physical feeling. It is “palpable” and the densest of all the elements. Hot feeling in our face, knot in our throat, pressure in the solar plexus and similar bodily sensations are easiest to notice, because they force themselves on us.
And then just breathe these in…
>Is there a way to do it that is slightly-but-manageably reckless?
…and then keep doing it (for longer). Many who teach this recommend doing it slowly, (10 or so breaths to start with, and adding 1 breath per and advancing slowly so just push the envelope faster, if you really want to you can push it several hundred percent each week or even each day.
>Should I simply do meditation/energywork for hours and invoke kundalini/I and the Creator Am One and then go from there?
That is good, of course. Energy work is the basis of pretty much everything. As for kundalini, I would say be careful, but if you're already being reckless, I'll just say, you could be sure you have minimal stagnation in your bodies.
The foolproof way is just to say it. Depending on your level of sensitivity it may take a while untill you can, some mantras I've tried I couldn't feel untill 1000s of repetitions but after than I broke through I could feel them within a dozen or even a single recitation.
In theory it would receive at least a (partial) charge the energy flowing around it, but without intention/conscious direction on the part of both partners it wouldn't be super effective.
As an aside about group magics in general, I know that it gets exponentially more powerful with more people, some have said it's another power per person (so 3 people is ^3, 4 to is ^4, etc.)
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>What is your honest opinion of those who learn the ways of the paranormal without books and shit?
It's possible better, but it depends on how scientific they are in their approach. It is possible to get lost, but it is also possible to achieve transcendence.
>How do I keep up my motivation for magic?
In the very start curiosity compelled me, a yearning to understand why and know how. Then I was motivated by seeing my progress, day by day, month by month. After a time it shifted to a yearning for the unity with God that I felt occasionally, and a desire to make that my normal state of consciousness.
>But after awhile, it burns out and I fall back into the mundane pit I had crawled out of.
We all make mistakes, fall and have set backs, even me. What sets you apart from the rest of the mundanes is picking yourself back up and continuing onward once again.
>The foolproof way is just to say it. Depending on your level of sensitivity it may take a while untill you can, some mantras I've tried I couldn't feel untill 1000s of repetitions but after than I broke through I could feel them within a dozen or even a single recitation.
Thank you, but I can't say it loudly so…it is okay if I do it only mentally or in whispering? I know this sound like a newbie question but what is the sign of success from it?
>Thank you, but I can't say it loudly so…it is okay if I do it only mentally or in whispering?
Mentally is fine, with as much as I say some mantras my vocal cords would be shot if I did them all out loud (also mundanes sometimes). That said if you can do them physically, it's generally better/more powerful.
>I know this sound like a newbie question but what is the sign of success from it?
You will be able to feel/sense the energy flowing (but again this depends on your level of sensitivity). Where you feel it depends on the mantra, usually somewhere an your spine is typical though.
What are mantras used for? Manifestation? Can a mantra be powerful enough to manifest from thin air?
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You seem to have made great progress.
I have discovered the path of magic only a short time ago.
I can see the potential now.
However, it does seem that during my life I have collected quite a collection of traumas and limitations.
I seem to understand the principle of manifestation for example. However, because of my imprints, I tend to get in to a panic mode sometimes, spiraling in to place of powerlessness.
I am doing shadow work every day. I do seem to be progressing. But there does seem to be some drawbacks, where, again and again, I fall back to the same patterns.
Its scary when I realize, how much of my life was wasted on these pointless spirals downward.
I am thirsty, I am starving for a different life. Different psychological landscape, different body, different material life configuration. Quite simply, I want to live a life of excitement and interesting and fun challenges.
I was wondering, maybe you see some of my thought patterns that are holding me back? Maybe you have some advice for those who tend to fall back to despair? Maybe you have some specific excersizes for changing my landscape.
At this point, I sometimes think that I would rather spend a day in hell, and then live the life that I want, instead of living this mediocre sticky and slow existence. Not to be dramatic or attention whoring. I simply want to accentuate the point which I am at, so that maybe you would know what processes to give me…
As I mentioned, I am doing shadow work daily, I am trying to manifest some basic things(like seeing a person with a specific clothes combination or finding a coin), but I seem to be experiencing a lot of resistance even with the simple things.
Thanks for the advice already provided, great stuff.
Yes, it takes a serious training before being able to do so and especially to not do hardly reversible damage. That's what KTQ is about.
Try to manifest things you'll actually like seeing and doing. Boredom is the worse enemy of life.
try to reprogram your mind.
use affirmations, maybe even zone out to recorded ones or somesuch as you're doing other things. Should help to get over some limiting thought patterns.
then if you're devoted to spirit, you can more easily bounce back when you get stuck.
>google "ktq mantra"
>Franz Bardon's third book, "The Key to the True Quabbalah" (KTQ),
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Yea, that is actually a good point, both points. I do think I should shift more of my focus to exciting things, would naturally have more emotionally power in that.
And I was wondering about using affirmations as well, because the shadow work was doing some nice cleaning up, but I think I should reinforce some new patterns.
It does seem that my previous post was quite a low for me. Yesterday I was doing shadow work and I got to the point in time when I was like a year old. Because of me rejecting that part, the baby was like in a shock state(even seeing that was actually quite horrifying). Energy and attention starved. I think it has to do with me noticing the low activity of root chakra. But now I seem to have retrieved that fragment, although it did involve a great deal of suffering.
In general I do seem to bounce back pretty easily, I am trying to accelerate my learning by inducing this shadow work every day. The last session really did show me some understanding of the way that we choose our beliefs. Because I did not see the deepest part of my suffering, I was constantly affected by it. Now that I have uncovered it, I can see that my core beliefs are a choice. Yes, I can choose to hide in a corner. Or I can choose to be brave. Now that I have experienced both options…its only a matter of choice.
I think I just crossed an important part of this shadow work journey. I think I might have to return to do some additional modifications, but I think, for the first time in my life, I have am actually more power, energy, creative force inclined, than vice versa. Most importantly, I can see that it is a choice now.
Thanks for the tips. I already have a few exciting things to manifest, and a few ideas for affirmations to help me along with that. Now that I am not choosing despair, it should be easier I think.
Man, this shadow work is intense, but really powerful shit.
what kind of shadow work do you do? Just clearing emotional blockages? or something more?
Just simply finding every part of me that has resistance, fully analyzing and becoming aware of it, and then reframing/comforting/healing/giving energy to that situation/part of me.
how do I release anxiety?
i believe it stems from a past event, and it is partially a reflex along with tension in my head, a tightening of the area above my left eyebrow, and I think along with this I tend to plaster a smile on my face.
it's probably a reflex intended to keep me from getting hurt by people who beat me up when I was younger. How to release the imprint/energy/neural pathway?
Meditation obviously but is there an established method?
I think following the neuron/energy pathway repeatedly with light/energy/awareness while relaxed?
I fall asleep while trancing. I wonder what to do about this.
eat better foods?
what I do is eat before meditating, it kind of makes me unable to fall asleep
I can fall asleep after nearly anything, but food makes me sleepy
Yes there is.
It is called shadow work.
You basically find your tensions, trace them back to certain events in your past, childhood etc. , become fully aware of all of the details, then comfort/heal/give energy to the past you. Basically, you have to become really compassionate and sensitive with yourself.
You might get a lot of crying, anger and depression while doing it, but that is the way that you release resistance. Basically, there are parts of you which you have not faced, pains and traumas which you did not fully accept. The way to look at it is imagine your past self as a separate child that is hurt. How can you help him? How can you comfort him?
I just went through some intense shadow work, cried the most that I have in my whole life probably, but that is the whole point. Also, now I feel as powerful and good as ever.
>I was wondering, maybe you see some of my thought patterns that are holding me back?
I will call attention to
>because of my imprints, I tend to get in to a panic mode sometimes, spiraling in to place of powerlessness.
In associating with this, saying it (or any other limit) is you, you are affirming such. You should cease to do such and instead affirm that you are what you desire to be. "I am aware, I am , etc.''
>Maybe you have some advice for those who tend to fall back to despair?
(Attempt to) catch yourself, notice when it happens, become aware, pause, step back, and ask yourself if you really wish to experience this, if not then consciously choose something else.
Further, affirmations (or other neuro linguistic programming) on the subconscious to alter it how you wish can be powerful, and though they may take time to sink in I'll attest to their effectiveness.
And more over, I would also recommend doing work on each (of the primary 7) chakras as well. If you are unsure how to do this Book of Knowledge has great examples.
>I sometimes think that I would rather spend a day in hell, and then live the life that I want
Things such as this probably don't help, you need to really reflect and meditate on what you truly desire to be and become. And then, per above, notice when you are not on that path and course correct. I take it you don't truly desire hell, but instead heaven (peace, love, joy, bliss, etc.)
>its only a matter of choice.
And awareness of that choice. The journey is about becoming increasingly more aware, of yourself, of your environment & of God.
>how do I release anxiety?
In brief, live in the present moment, do what you can in the now to create/manifest what you desire and don't worry about events that are now now (such as the past or the future) so much.
>i believe it stems from a past event, and it is partially a reflex along with tension in my head, a tightening of the area above my left eyebrow, and I think along with this I tend to plaster a smile on my face.
Sounds like same facial stretching or (self) massage would help; one's physical form can store energies as stagnant energies start to become manifest into the physical.
>How to release the imprint/energy/neural pathway?
Become aware (of it starting to happen), and then consciously redirect the energy, in this case into a sense of relaxation or ease. You can also channel the energy out of you (ground yourself).
>Meditation obviously but is there an established method?
Not really per se, there are just variations on awareness mostly.
>I think following the neuron/energy pathway repeatedly with light/energy/awareness while relaxed?
I would recommend altering said pathway, as the current one is causing tension, which you seek to end and not just momentarily either. As such you should rewire the way it fires into another pattern, doing the above listed things will do such.
I would strongly advise against eating before meditating, especially if it's heavy or dense in nature (such as anything that is not raw fruits) as it will ground you into physicality.
Eating better in general will help as well, even if you don't go full inedia >>>/fringe/562 shows the levels of density of food, by sticking to higher levels (and organic) it will increase your energy levels.
Regarding sleep in specific, the energy required to processes the food is obviously a contributing factor, however some also have a tendency to fall asleep due to the relaxation that meditation brings, the latter is just something you will have to push through with awareness (any maybe mental gymnastics to keep your mind awake).
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Can anyone make an audio recording of "I and the creator AM one"?
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I was always one of those kids who wanted superpowers, and when I was still in elementary school my wish was granted. It works like this: if I think of something occurring and actively believe that it will happen it wont happen. By the time I was 12 I had already learned all I can about this 'power' I have and how to exploit it for my own liking.
What's /fringe/'s explanation for this?
I have found that food only makes me sleepy if my body has a hard time processing it. Simple foods like fruit or juice are best.
Too much fat comsumed can even make staying awake very difficult. This seems to be more of a shock to the system since I eat very little fat but in experiments even fat consumed regularly caused my body to slow down.
Don't know what you are consuming but if it doesn't make you feel alive and energized then it is probably no good for you.
Eating will make meditation much harder.
Try going into a meditation after fasting a couple days and compare to your eating before meditation to see the difference.
do you not have a microphone? they're pretty cheap. I'd recommend you do it for yourself.
What are some meditations I could to do make my will unbreakable and to draw in massive ammounts of energy?
when that type of thing happens to me it's because I want it enough that the opposite happens. On the energy plane there has to be balance so pulling something pushes, pushing something pulls it, and it goes back and forth if you keep trying.
You have to let it come to you, after stating your intent.
>do you not have a microphone? they're pretty cheap. I'd recommend you do it for yourself.
I've been doing some kundalini practices. When I do certain meditations (one-pointed concentration, or breathing fire into the belly) I feel something painful and coiled rise from my navel upwards.
It does not get farther than the heart and it does not seem to transform my consciousness.
What's throwing me is I feel it rise in front, not along the spine. What is it I'm feeling here and how does it relate, if at all, to kundalini?
If you have a cell phone there is a good chance you could record a short thing on it and then email it to yourself, maybe go outside and do it.
Will try, Thank you.
how could it transform your consciousness if it doesn't reach your head?
When I did kundalini i ignited it with the auntwatermelon meditation in the thread and it started from the front.
I have no idea if it like… climbed up there, but it ignited using the lower dantien energies.
or that seems to be what khan said, that it uses those energies.
It's not, kundalini is activated in the root chakra and goes up the spine…
While I have not raised the kundali myself, I think you should be careful and focus more on removing blockages instead of trying to force it up.
If you dont clear up your blockages before rising it, you will pretty much be raped by a body long dick, forcing its way through your blocks by force, while also stimulating all of the emotional trauma that is associated with the blockages. Don't think its gonna be a fun time.
>believe that it will happen it wont happen
You are projecting/holding that possiblity out in the future, which is not now, the eternal present moment in which we live.
If you want to to manifest you need to affirm present moment, else you can continue with your "not this timeline" method.
There are at least 2 things you can/should do to help, one is to cultivate what you desire ( >>>/fringe/26 ) of total unwavering conviction, then when ever you are tempted to deviate return and reflect upon it and the other is to always be expanding in your awareness so if you do deviate or if you are tempted you notice instead of just re-acting and having to catch and course correct yourself later.
You should be totally aware of yourself, master of your mind, body & impulses in all ways, QMM & Void ( >>>/fringe/3 & >>>/fringe/5 ) work to the latter end.
>massive amounts of energy
This can be done in a myriad of ways, I personally like >>>/fringe/289 & >>>/fringe/290 Overall strengthening your ability to handle energy will help as well. If you feel ready >>>/fringe/39
(Not skipping over you, just lack sufficient data for a meaningful answer)
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Is there a correlation between chakras or "tiens" with will, visualization, and desire?
As I understand, desire could be placed in the lower tien. Will in the middle. Visualization in the upper. Would this be a correct way to look at it? How could this relate to the chakra system?
Also, we can train visualization by well… visualizing. We can train desire by the desire meditation… But how do you train will? And what exactly is it, where is it located. Is will intention?
guys, I'm in step I of IIH and when doing thought control, thoughts don't really arise, it's just like I skip to vacuity of mind directly. I practised jhanic meditation in the past, might this be the reason?
How can I conquer all kinds of fear? How can I truly get above my ego and addictions? How can I actually help otjers and still focus on my development? These are my goals.
Hey I'm the Christian that said magic was sin so you answered me. I think many of the things you say are correct. I want to learn more, and now that i've looked into it, Christianity started from esoteric roots that probably began in Hermetics.
So, can you tell me, is the /fringe/ faq okay or is there something else that i should read? The faq is really boring but if it's required then i will make my self read it. My life's a mess. Maybe more acuratelly - i'm a mess. So i'm clinging to whatever i can find right now.
Can a Tulpa be considered the same as a Servitor/Thoughtform?
>more acuratelly - i'm a mess. So i'm clinging to whatever i can find right now.
we've all been there.
shadow work (developing freedom of negativity from past trauma) will do that somewhat too.
that's how cults and religions get new members! sad people are open to suggestion
>The faq is really boring
it's like 5 minutes long >_>
I can't imagine what would be interesting enough to hold your attention throughout if you can't sustain it for that long.
I find boredom/add is a mix of depression/anxiety.
A thought-form is the basic creation.
A servitor is a powerful thought-form.
A tulpa is a powerful thought-form with the basic ego (the human personality you use everyday).
In more mundane terms:
Basic Thought-Form = hello world program
Servitor Thought-Form = Advanced program that can adapt and change to better do the task.
Tulpa Thought-Form = full AI
Turning 18, I had a strong urge to develop more spiritually. I started off by buying tarot cards. The first time I opened them, I asked a guide to help me. I felt a strong, positive energy fill the room. The energy then moved into me and I felt happy the rest of the day. From that day on, I always feel something around me.
My first experience goes like this. I JUST sat down in bed and was reading something on my phone. I did NOT go to sleep since I posted my experience on a website right after it happened. I was reading something on my phone when I felt the urge to look at the end of my bed. I followed a translucent light blue orb as it moved from the end of my bed to my nightstand in front of me. It slowly faded away, and then I heard my name yelled like it was really far away. Usually something like that would freak me out, but I was surprisingly calm and just said "Well that was weird." The next experience was in my bathroom, er, near it. I was brushing my teeth when I clearly saw a man with medium length blond hair walk by the door. No one was there. I could clearly see him though. When I walked by the door, I felt really confused for some reason. Like I didn't know where I was. I then walked into my room, and it felt a little heavy in there. My next experience was seeing a black shape move down the hallway and feeling a weird pressure in the air. Nothing negative. I saw it barely out of the corner of my eye. The NEXT experience? I heard heavy footsteps in the hallway at around 1AM when no one but me was up. I still looked, and no one was there. I know someone was since the steps were louder when I took my headphones off. When I went to brush my teeth, I saw orbs repeatedly flying by me. They only appeared right in front of me. Most of them where light gray in color. I concentrated on them to see if I could find out who they were, and I got an image of a man and his grandchild sitting on a bench and smiling. I don't know if that was real since I am still working on my abilities. I have also seen black "scratch" shapes to my side. When I walk over to them, my hair stands up and I feel weird. I have been sensitive my entire life, but it got EXTREMELY strong after I used tarot cards. Am I awakening somehow? Maybe I have a great psychic gift that I need to work on. I was raised a Christian and I believe in a higher power, but I am open to learning anything, really. I'm also trying to astral project, but I haven't had any luck. Oh, and that brings me on to my other experience. I had 3 episodes of sleep paralysis in a row. One was an OBE. I tried to get out of the house from a wall, but I couldn't get close to the wall. It was dark ,and it felt like something was in the darkness. The darkness lifted, it became light outside (except the house was dark from closed blinds), and I was able to walk out through my front door. I faded out of the OBE when I tried to fly above the Earth though. Does anyone have similar experiences? I would love to learn more as these events are becoming more frequent. Also, it is not mental disorder. I have been tested in the past. And this stuff happened literally the SECOND I touched the tarot cards.
Oh, and you can message me via email@example.com or with my Tox address: C7391EF259F7DB7DAE93FBF3E7B9C672CA9570A27CF8E2DC01928BB7E9585A153E5C51875D4A
Hah, i didn't mean the faq was boring, i meant that some of the books by Atkinson are boring…
Actually, all books by Atkinson are boring…
Is this the best Fringe?
I mean, the other seems to actually have people in it,
while this one has only duplicated threads…
>Is there a correlation between chakras or "tiens" with will, visualization, and desire?
There is some, but I'm too ignorant on the specific nature of tiens to really say.
>As I understand, desire could be placed in the lower tien. Will in the middle. Visualization in the upper. Would this be a correct way to look at it?
This does not vibe me wrong.
>how do you train will?
By exerting it and/or by working on your solar (plexus) chakra.
>And what exactly is it, where is it located. Is will intention?
Solar plexus chakra deals with will. It's right in the ridge of your ribcage where they join. It is yellow.
>guys, I'm in step I of IIH and when doing thought control, thoughts don't really arise, it's just like I skip to vacuity of mind directly. I practised jhanic meditation in the past, might this be the reason?
Yes. If you can meet the requirement, or you feel there is nothing else much to be gained by doing that exercise/you have mastered it, continue on.
>How can I conquer all kinds of fear?
By facing them and realizing the illusion of it.
>How can I truly get above my ego
Present moment awareness.
Through remaining in the present moment and choosing another path.
>How can I actually help otjers and still focus on my development?
By offering advice when asked, else:
If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of yourself, if you want to eliminate the suffering in the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself. Truly, the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation. - Lao Tzu
Being that shining example of divinity.
>I want to learn more, and now that i've looked into it, Christianity started from esoteric roots that probably began in Hermetics.
>So, can you tell me, is the /fringe/ faq okay or is there something else that i should read?
It is just suggested starting places. There is a lot of good stuf though. My personal recommendation is:
I also like Santo's work (aka Mr. Astrotheology) a lot and he shows the esoteric side of Christianity and as such it may resonate more with you. That said, Follow your curiosity & passions, they will be a good guide on what to read/consume. Sometimes though, the required reading can be boring.
>My life's a mess. Maybe more acuratelly - i'm a mess.
It gets better, meditation and emotional/mental transmutation allows the healing process to accelerate.
>Can a Tulpa be considered the same as a Servitor/Thoughtform?
It's a higher level/more evolved than a servitor. Thoughform is pretty much the umbrella term for all second order beings.
Protip, use paragraph breaks. Walls of text are a bitch.
>Am I awakening somehow?
Noticing the spirit world (more), yes.
>Does anyone have similar experiences?
>I would love to learn more as these events are becoming more frequent.
Well you are in the right place. Start lurking & reading.
>Also, it is not mental disorder.
There is truthfully no such thing. Only misunderstandings of the mind.
The mystic and the schizophrenic find themselves in the same ocean, but whereas the mystic swims, the schizophrenic drowns. - R.D.Laing
Here we understand such.
Is it possible to contain the I of ones self like a lich or is it impossible?
anything is possible
idk, depends on what you're looking for.
this one is cleaner, no cp yet or it's deleted quick unlike the other one, no dnsbl bypass for posting, not connected to 8chan
>Is this the best Fringe?
IMHO yes, see also >>171
>I mean, the other seems to actually have people in it
The quality is pretty poor though. I'd rather quality over quantity any day.
We where all supposed to move here when smiley got admin (which he did), however he never upheld his end of the bargain and locked and redirected 8/fringe/. So, what ever, it will just be a rotting husk.
I'm here, and so are others who know what they are doing. We're moving on and doing our wizarding, 8/fringe/ does not really concern me any more and I'm pretty sure there are others feel the same.
>while this one has only duplicated threads…
There are new threads here, some are even high quality like >>>/fringe/562 and >>>/fringe/193 and to a degree >>>/fringe/453 and that's not even counting >>>/library/ and >>>/div/
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Can you describe it?
I did that one a few times. It awakened sushumna for me in steps 1-5(Energy shot straight up through the top of my skull and radiated out from there, and I felt weird for weeks) and I got heat, but couldn't get to step 9. The two can be confused, I think.
I've heard that kundalini can rebase itself at the navel in some people, which is why I ask.
That's pretty much what I want. I know I've got a blockage at my heart, but it will pass once kundalini rises through it. Or it should anyways. I know what's blocking it and I'm prepared to deal with it, I just want something to force it to the surface so I can surpass it.
Thanks for the answers.
>But how do you train will? And what exactly is it, where is it located. Is will intention?
Pick something you cannot now do, and do it.
Next time you have a nightmare, squash all fear. Do not run away. Instead walk right into the darkest, scariest place and give no fucks. The monsters you see might scream, they might grab you, they might rend your flesh and eat you alive - but they cannot hurt you. Know this is true while you are awake, too. You may be temporarily impeded, and that is all.
This won't stop you from having nightmares, but will make them amusing.
if you focus your energy into a body part before jerking off would the energy be wasted after jerking off?
Could someone please check on the secret board info in the astral /fringe/ sticky? I think someone spammed it.
Board's fine, sticky seemed fine too, though I put some more loosh into it and programmed in to be clearer.
You still lose energy.
Coming here with a serious question after being directed to here by someone on another board.
I had a bad trip on psychedelics last September, unlike any other I've had before. It was over labor day weekend, just before the start of the jewish new year.
I'm going to make this initial post brief, because the full story with all details is well over 10 pages in msWord.
I've taken acid numerous times, somewhere between 60 and 70. I lost count at some point.
Beginning in last April I had a really weird trip. Was great up until the end, just got weird and my friends were talking about keys and stuff, but I didn't really get it.
I subsequently tripped another few times over 4th of July weekend in Chicago for the dead shows, and then later that summer at Phish.
The bad trip occurred at a phish show. I've tripped acid at every phish show I've been to prior to this, and always had a pretty good time, though at the 3 shows last summer prior to this one, I did get paranoid, but mainly due to perceived health issues which turned out to be way overblown.
This show started like any other. Took acid when I got there, met up with friends etc. First set was alright for the most part, though I got very introspective during a song called Undermind.
The 2nd set is when things went awry. During a song called Blaze On, that is about change in general, I couldn't find a lighter and asked my friend's wife for one, she sorta rolled her eyes and said "ask one of the boys". I internalized this to see her statement as questioning my manhood, and I got really weird. Had to separate myself from my friends. Between her comment and the song I thought that the music/universe/whatever was trying to turn me gay, and that the "change" would be me becoming homosexual or something. For the record I've never been a super macho guy, and am not totally opposed to an open mind regarding sexuality, but even when I've contemplated these things before my attraction to women has never been a question or doubt at all.
Because of this, I spent a few songs trying to smoke this joint with random girls, all of whom were very kind, but the whole experience was embarrassing because I kept either losing my lighter or joint.
Then they played a song called Fuego, I had removed myself from the crowd and was way in the back, where there was space, dancing to myself, trying to maintain sanity. For a brief moment I stopped dancing, and that's when everything changed. It felt like my stomach, or what I would call my 3rd or 2nd chakra, completely reversed or switched off. It's an incredibly hard feeling to describe, as if I didn't notice anything was there until it was gone/changed.
At that moment, I felt like I knew what it was like to gay and/or a woman. It was very distressing, this was not a way I had ever felt before nor was it pleasurable or enjoyable in any fashion.
My mind got so caught up in this I couldn't really understand the song lyrics anymore.
This thought persisted with me. I thought people were making gay jokes at my expense, though this was at Dicks' Sporting Goods park so just a lot of talk about dicks in general.
Long story short I couldn't sleep for over 4 days. The night after this I took mdma and more lsd in the hopes it would help me resolve or fix what happened. It did not.
For a solid month I was basically psychotic. Everything in my life was an extremely in my face metaphor. At points I thought I was talking with Lucifer, and then later I felt a strong presence of Pan in my life (can go into details here if you want). Also coupled with this was extreme insomnia (2-3 hours sleep per night), reduced appetite, digestion problems (wouldn't poo for days but did not feel constipated), cognitive and memory problems/misspelling, lack of desire in any faction of life, sexual dysfunction, can't even drive as fast as I used to (literally less drive), inability to run up or down stairs like I used to, food even tasted and smelled a bit different/I didn't recognize the smells. Teeth grinding.
Also drinking alcohol no longer felt the same. It's like my tolerance shot up (I drank a lot that weekend) and drinking doesn't make me drunk like it used to. I don't feel it. Also for a while smoking any marijuana would send me into extreme anxiety and paranoia, whereas previously I was a daily smoker. Recently smoked the other night with a friend and was cool.
Also sexual function has moderately returned, though I don't feel like my dick gets as hard.
Been to the regular doctor, bloodwork comes back mostly normal. I haven't had an MRI yet, mainly because I think most of this is psychic or energetic and not severe brain damage.
That's basically what I've been toying with the whole time, was it all from the bad trip on friday, or did MDA use earlier in the week comined with MDMA the day after the bad trip do a number on the physical structure of my brain (even though I know people who've done way more than me and been fine)?
So, I come to you guys, wondering if anyone can provide an explanation. Even my other friends experienced with drugs are kind of at a loss here, and among extended friends I don't really like talking about this because it is so embarrassing.
I feel like things have improved a few percent, but I feel nowhere near normal like I did before this weekend (though I was kind of depressed at the time).
I was taking seroquel for a while to sleep but I've since stopped taking it. Also no longer working.
So if we would create a simple formula how manifestation happens, would be something like this?
Desire + visualization + will - resistance/blockages/limiting beliefs = result
> though this was at Dicks' Sporting Goods park so just a lot of talk about dicks in general
I think tripping at concerts in general is just a bad idea. Too many people, smells, things happening. Always felt too overwhelming for me. I prefer a more calm setting with 1-2 close friends. Otherwise it can easily lead to paranoia and other weird things like in your case. Maybe just give yourself some time to clear your head and don't try to fix the problem by rolling and drinking. Hope you get it figured out.
I find /fringe/ very ambivalent. I am glad to see people being able to shake off the dogmas and 'facts' to have a new, different look at things. However, people seem to use this new lack of belief to simply adopt a different set of dogmas and cling to them even stronger. Perhaps there are some who just entertain these ideas, like all the others, and move on without making any claims for or against anything. But others take these musings literally.
There's also seem to be a shift in thinking, where a possible connection is valued more than anything that goes against the connection. In the end, people here seem to accept whatever is said to them even more easily.
It feels like a wanner of fallen skeptics.
“Earnest Desire—Confident Expectation—and Firm Demand—these form the Triple Key of Occult Attainment.”
The Master Formula of Attainment is as follows:
“(1) Definite Ideals;
(2) Insistent Desire;
(3) Confident Expectation;
(4) Persistent Determination
(5) Balanced Compensation.”
Reduced to popular terms, it is as follows: “You may have anything you want, provided that you (1) know exactly what you want, (2) want it hard enough, (3) confidently expect to obtain it, (4) persistently determine to obtain it, and (5) are willing to pay the price of its attainment.”
Thanks man but it's been about 6 whole months with minimal improvement. It just…it feels more than psychological. I can tell you everything going through my mind at the time, I can explain all the details and decisions of the weekend and before that led me to having the kinds of thoughts that I had.
I understand my internal psychology perfectly.
What I don't understand is what I should do to fix it. All of this feels so much more than psychological. It feels like my energy body or nervous system itself is somehow damaged or overloaded.
I've read about the possibility of psychedelics causing a kundalini overload of sorts. I even thought the weird homosexual/genderfucked thoughts were a result of what's called "reversed kundalini". I just don't know what to believe or how to fix it.
I plan on travelling and doing a lot camping very soon. I'm hoping that being out in nature will help me. I might engage with some psilocybin mushrooms as well, although I am wary. Part of me feels I won't fix it without returning to the psychedelic space.
How often do you meditate? I don't hold much authority over the energy bodies, but you might have overloaded certain energetic centers and meridians. Are you aware of any suppressed memories or traumas? It might just be that a combination of a triggered suppressed memory or trauma in combination with lots of energy giving your energetic circuit a hard time. I find it hard to believe that this event caused a permanent change, given the nature and flexibility of the body.
>Part of me feels I won't fix it without returning to the psychedelic space.
There is no need to take psychedelics drugs to achieve what you want here. It might offer a quick fix, but it is the wrong approach for a problem like this. Inducing a foreign substance would not teach you how to resolve problems on your own; a reliance on something external. This doesn't promote long term stability. Meditation would be the natural way to achieve the same. It would help you get a grip on your self, it would help clear energetic blockades, and much more, without the need of any additional risk.
>To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincare
What is a wanner?
i doubt that i believe that
How do i heal someone? I have some family problems and it's mostly to one person being pretty rude at times but i can't affect him because he won't listen to me because im younger and he's kind of an egomaniac. How do i help him?
>Desire + visualization + will - resistance/blockages/limiting beliefs = result
It's pretty accurate. If you include energy in will, it's true. >>431 is my take on on said formula:
>intention density aka manifestation speed (my term: energy+desire*time, clarity/vividness of intent is important as well, but is a factor of energy)
>However, people seem to use this new lack of belief to simply adopt a different set of dogmas and cling to them even stronger.
While, I, of course, can not speak for others, I try to remain as objective and scientific with my beliefs. If I get new data that proves something I previously held to be wrong then I readjust my paradigm.
>How do i heal someone?
Simply manifesting/projecting healing-health-ease-love at-into them.
>I have some family problems and it's mostly to one person being pretty rude at times but i can't affect him because he won't listen to me because im younger and he's kind of an egomaniac.
Is this the same one that you are trying to heal? If so the problem with that is he needs to desire healing himself, else if not, it's his own freewill to be dis-eased… And you can't really do much other than attempt to violate his freewill choice.
Else, if you just mean in general, how to improve his rudeness. Altering your the mental conversations/expectations of/with him may help. But again, the above applies too.
>How do i help him?
Maybe try to nudge him awake:
How would one go about encouraging a “Sleeping” person to free their mind?
The goal is to pique their curiosity without brow-beating them. Almost everyone has a threshold of openness where rational pondering turns to irrational defending when some ego-based belief is crossed. Some reach that threshold right away… those more open minded may never reach it in conversation. If you are good enough at conversing that you can lead them right up to that threshold, then that’s as far as you can take them at the moment. Any further and they won’t budge, only get turned off. It’s not about being cunning or manipulative, but rather speaking from a noble, caring, and lucid place within yourself while keeping their conscious responses in mind.
One way to pique curiosity is to ask a question, mention a phenomena, that they cannot explain or account for. Something that brings to their attention an inadequacy or hole in their view of the world. If you’re dealing with someone conscious but asleep, they might frown and go “hmm, I never thought about that one. Interesting,” while those who are more heavily programmed can dance in circles with logical fallacies trying to dismiss anything that does not match their programming; for those, smile and back off. For the interested, this is where it pays off to be knowledgeable on alternative subjects and know what further sources to recommend.
It also helps to be genuinely earnest and sincerely kind when relaying some belief or experience of yours, instead of arrogant or combative — this way they can still see your good side even if they don’t believe you. They are being held hostage by their own egos, and when you step out of line and provoke their ego more than necessary, their minds turn off and the ego takes over shutting you out. Speaking to their hearts, their reasoning minds, their latent spark of curiosity works best.
You can also try raising your vibes by thinking of lofty and positive thoughts, memories, and ideals before getting on with the interaction, which helps make them feel more comfortable and wards off negative forces that might otherwise whip them away from opening their minds.
Wait a minute, I was actually there. In all probable certainty I didn't cross your path, but just the synchronicity.
And I will also agree that rolling/tripping in public environments such as the one at Phish Dicks can be potentially quite hazardous to your mental well being, especially if you do not have a good mental mastery.
Any how moving on to your issue.
I think you should certainly try to fix your issues via meditation, introspection and willpower/desire. You very well may have energy flow problems, doing energy work and otherwise meditating on just sensing yourself and what is happening/flowing on the inside will help with that. Will it to return to health & perfection.
Otherwise focus on your desired state of be-ing is and then be-come it by returning yourself to that vibration (or as close to it as you can) when even you realize you are not being what you wish. Be persistent.
So, since I have been experiencing more psychic and paranormal experiences, I have been experiencing this. I'll start to feel a weird energy in the room. Last time it happened which was last night, it looked like something was moving in the corner of my vision. If I stared at the spot, it seemed as if the space it was occupying kind of warped a bit. Just like it was moving a "tiny" bit. When I walked over to the area, or even looked at it, I felt a bit light headed. It's a strange feeling that is hard to explain. When I got light headed, it felt like my head and body kind of "expanded" and contracted a bit. Almost like a pulse of energy. The only feeling I can equate it with is the feeling I have had before having an OBE. Just a bit weaker though. Does anyone know what this feeling could be? Was I seeing an entity that warped the space a little? Or was it a portal or something?
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Explain ego hood, atkinson says it is the ego that is good while gurus and other enlightened dude says kill da ego.
I don't meditate often. I used to, years ago, but I stopped because I'm a slave to immediate gratification.
Not opposed to it, but I really don't want to embark down the meditation path if it won't fix me. I guess I just want concrete answers.
I'm planning to see this psych in san francisco who deals with psychedelic issues, hopefully they can point me in the right direction.
Look in to shadow work.
Basically, if you have these feelings, you should simply delve in to them and experience them fully, instead of trying to smoke and drink yourself out of them.
> I really don't want to embark down the meditation path if it won't fix me
I thinj the immediate gratification/lack of patience is part of the problem.
Meditation can fix about everything, so long as you have the intention and a vague idea of how to fix it. You said you thinj it's energetic problems so I'd say meditate on whatever trauma or insecurity causes you to freak out about being perceived in a certain way, and or meditate on eneegy body surgery. I managed to work on my energy body by seeing it as a gridwork of light while trancing and I saw an area where the gridwork was less organized and put light into it to organize it better and I started twitching in my hip which I'm fixing.
how to strengthen root chakra/connection to earth/feeling safe and secure?
I tend to overuse my heart/feel weird after it, and it's probably to do with a lack of feeling safe about it/I've been told my root/connection is insecure. I've been told to take salt baths, do earthing. anything else?
to expand, I feel like when I shut off my emotions more, I can interact easily, but when I feel things, it gets more difficult.
Like, the more disconnected I am/the more Idgaf, the easier things get.
How to not give too much of a fuck yet still be engaged in interaction?
seems like closing my heart makes things easier, but it also makes me feel feelings intensely/more sensitive when i open it again.
Hi, i'm new here. In which order should i read the books from library?
Can i don't believe on God and believe on magic?
That's like believing in Hobbits, but not believing in Tolkien.
What with the green square?
it really depends on what you define as god
I will give you one of the first magical techniques.
Go through the list, and feel which attracts you the most.
That one is the one you should read first.
Mhm, had the same thing.
I did chakra work, salts, whatver.
Let me tell you what actually helped me the most.
I was doing shadow work. I got so deep that I reached myself as the smallest baby… That baby was startled. Shocked. Deprived of every. Cried like 5 times that day, like a baby. Sent energy to the baby, surrounding it with a force field of energy.
After that, my feeling of root chakra got much stronger.
Do shadow work, deal with with your insecurities.
How do I do shadow work?
Meditate on tge idea?
How can I get rid of intrusive thoughts? All kinds of negative shit pops into my head throughout the day and it feels like they aren't my own. Not like hearing voices, just graphic images and my own internal voice saying things that I don't want.
>Present moment awareness
I'm this anon >>375. I've found that the state of mine I mentioned in this posting is an end goal. And I believe it's an impossible one at that, for me, if I can't achieve what I know you're talking about here.
Present moment awareness = seeing through one's own eyes. It disconnects from any thoughts on what the future may be that clouds present awareness, and what the past has been that clouds present reactions. You're speaking, thinking, being, choosing /as/ yourself.
I've found that I can't achieve anything worthwhile unless I can accomplish this. I've hit on it in waves, and find that it's a hard state to maintain as I'm more of a conscious thinker than an intuitive thinker. What do you think I should do to attain and retain this state of mind?
Keep in mind that once I do attain it, I have essentially "won", if you can understand what I mean, and my ego wishes to use what I've won for ego purposes. Even wishing to stay in that state is an egoic process that removes me from it (I've found that there is no need to be in it, because it's always there).
There's no real need to have to find a way to find it, because it's always there*, has never left, and could never leave.
Read up on it.
To put it simply:
Get in to a sensitive, trance state
Locate some unpleasant feeling, fear, guilt, anger whatver inside you, choose one.
Become fully aware of it, delve in to it with no restrictions. Ask yourself- what has caused me to feel this? When was the first time I felt this?
You will find out that you had some event or multiple events that caused this.
Imagine yourself interacting with You in that time. Imagine like you would be with another person, and you are trying to help him.
Let him cry, or whatever he wants to do to feel better.
After he calms down, you can encourage him with something that is appropriate to the situation.
The basic idea is to satisfy the needs and calm down that you that needs attention.
petition to import Khan's thread http://8ch.net/fringe/res/50246.html cleaning teh emotional body.
I'd do it but I'm at work
dunno where to read about shadow work except that thread and this
perhaps that's enough to go on for now though
A creator and ruler of the life on earth
nevermind it's contained within the energywork thread here. I *did* think I saw it
>How do i heal someone?
To go into this in more detail. Aside from what I mentioned in general before you should locate the areas of stagnation, both of energy, and in where they have physically manifested as well are and work through/clear them in specific. Sometimes this can require really focusing the energy beam you are working with instead of just flooding their whole being; though the later will technically work, it just may not be as fast as it will abalate the stagnation away from the outside vs the former which can break it up from the center and totally dislodge it.
>Explain ego hood, atkinson says it is the ego that is good while gurus and other enlightened dude says kill da ego.
Take this with some salt as I have not read Atkinson so he may use ego in a different way. The way I use and understand it is an AI programmed by your environment, though this it starts to become a machine of the law of the jungle, survival and competition primarily, to this end it can starts exploiting others (or even the self) for the sake of self gain or simple sense pleasures.
In this respect the ego must be sublimated to serve the spirit not fight against it. This mastery is what most call ego death, for if you reside always in the spirit, you are not residing or acting in/from ego.
>I'm a slave to immediate gratification.
The path to perfection-Godhood is not the easy paths, there are no soft options or lazy dreams.
This is the hardest path, the path that mercilessly punishes all weakness. There is no instant gratification or lazy dreams. It is reserved for those who come to transform themselves from clay into alchemical gold.
>Not opposed to it, but I really don't want to embark down the meditation path if it won't fix me.
It can, all things are possible. The only question is what you desire to be-manifest.
>I'm planning to see this psych in san francisco who deals with psychedelic issues
Be very careful with what you say and what you believe. Psychology, by definition (as it assumes the spirit-energy worlds do not exist) is ill-equipped to handle problems of this nature. Furthermore more do not accept any labels they may attempt to give you, this can not only limit you mentally (by associating with said problem and thus becoming-enboding it more) but can also mess with your physical life and prospects.
And I would also personally not take any pills they attempt to give you, those will only mess up your bodies natural systems and healing ability. Over all, I wouldn't waste your money.
>I guess I just want concrete answers.
No one knows you like you ever will, all psychology is based on statical surveys of people (the DSM literally means Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) and as such it is very poor at actually fixing problems as it does not actually properly diagnose them properly most of the time any way.
I would personally recommend doing lots of meditation and talking to people with experience of the more metaphysical/esoteric aspect of the mind (and ideally not those who have the ability to totally destroy your life like psych's do), monks, priests (sometimes), shamans, other spiritual men.
>how to strengthen root chakra
This is pretty straight forward, focus clear-strong red light-energy on your root chakra, imagine it purifying, transmuting, and strengthening it. Do this daily for at least 5 or 10 mins (the more the better though).
>connection to earth
Connect into the energy of Gaia. Move your attention down into the Earth taking it deep, going down all the way to the core and feel the energy from all of it flowing forth into you and you into it, anchoring and stabilizing you.
>In which order should i read the books from library?
That depends on what level of magical/mystical expertise you have. I personally recommend
To build a good foundation. If you desired science, the first 2 playlists in >>>/fringe/2 contain that.
>A creator and ruler of the life on earth
With this definition of God, it's A creator not the creator, this implies that your definition of God means that there are other Gods that rule over other plan-ets.
In my definition those would not be the ultimate God, the creator of all of creation, just sub aspects thereof; which I would call gods.
That said, belief in ability to cause change is really all that is strictly necessary to work magic.
How do you believe magic works? In my perspective it works through unity with the force that created reality (God).
>How do I do shadow work?
What anon said is good, the only thing I have to add is, once you reach that state of aware lucidity in that circumstance and have cleared everything out, ask yourself what would the best course of action would be from there to manifest the goal you desire, and then consciously choose that every time.
>How can I get rid of intrusive thoughts?
By practicing (quiet mind) meditation so you learn how not to pay them mind, after a time they will relent in frequency and then near totally.
>All kinds of negative shit pops into my head throughout the day and it feels like they aren't my own.
Often they are not, it's entities trying to tempt you/bias you to spill loosh so they can vampirize it.
>Not like hearing voices, just graphic images and my own internal voice saying things that I don't want.
>your own internal voice
That voice is not you. You are the awareness of that voice.
>And I believe it's an impossible one at that, for me
Be very careful with statements that impose limitations like that anon lest you (continue) to embody it.
>What do you think I should do to attain and retain this state of mind?
First a little poetry:
It is gnosis allows you to bridge the unbridgeable. Gnosis is ultimate intuition. Gnosis is about listening to the pulse of the cosmos. Gnosis is about separating your mind from the mortal world of ordinary consciousness and linear thinking and embracing the immortal and infinite world where everything is interconnected.
>Keep in mind that once I do attain it, I have essentially "won"
In that moment. The trick is maintaining it, that is where meditation and dedication comes in.
Right now. In some places it's already a hot war, in many more places it's been going on economically for years now.
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>How do you believe magic works?
I believe that magic works not with a connection to any God or Gods. If i believe that i'm the only God that ever existed and believe on my own power, i can make magic works, not?
Anyway, i'm atheist, i just don't believe on God or any kind of deity that rules our life.
i'm not atheist*
I don't get it.
how can you not believe in god yet not be atheist?
are you agnostic?
or are you saying you're god?
Yes, i'm agnostic.
>or are you saying you're god
Thanks. I will begin again practicing meditation. Another thing I wanted to ask here is relevant to this, when I try to meditate my heart starts beating very fast, sometimes I even feel dizzy or nauseated, I'm starting to think that I do in fact have an outside entity messing with me. I know that meditating is the solid groundwork I need to do just about anything in this field, so how can I purge emotional parasites or whatever they are, in order to be able to meditate peacefully? Anything else I should do to cover all the possible options it could be that is interrupting it? Thanks for the answers, it is very appreciated.
I'm no pro, but the heartbeat and the dizziness are just temporary things; believe me, no entities are messing with your mind.
I remember reading that about 95% (of course this is some arbitrary number) of these claims of entities are just the neophyte's inner resistances and fears playing their part. You know, your body doesn't like losing control.
If that's the case its the problem I would prefer to deal with. maybe I just need to push through it.
I get that dizzy or nauseating feeling when there's too much energy for my solar plexus to handle.
I figured the heartbeat might be energy overload for the part of you that fears the energy within.
The seeming semihomophobia you may have might have to do with rejecting your inner yin? Maybe it was suppressed by trauma dealing with people and implied gayness? I had a thing with people's perception of me as such at one point and had a bit of freakout.
>I believe that magic works not with a connection to any God or Gods. If I believe that I'm the only God that ever existed and believe on my own power, I can make magic works, not?
That works because you are a connected to the all.
>Anyway, i'm atheist, i just don't believe on God or any kind of deity that rules our life.
The all does not rule any one's life
You are most welcome. It's my pleasure to serve.
>when I try to meditate my heart starts beating very fast, sometimes I even feel dizzy or nauseated
This could be your body adapting to the increase in energy resulting from meditating.
>I'm starting to think that I do in fact have an outside entity messing with me.
That is also possible.
>so how can I purge emotional parasites or whatever they are, in order to be able to meditate peacefully?
You could attempt to find some one who can heal/remove parasites if real, but that aside know you can over power them by force of will and remaining steady on the path.
>Anything else I should do to cover all the possible options it could be that is interrupting it?
I would recommend casting something like the Declaration of Freewill
It will allow you maximum "metaphysical elbow room" by formally setting into place your intent to be free.
>I get that dizzy or nauseating feeling when there's too much energy for my solar plexus to handle.
Attempt, as best you can to just site with it.
>I figured the heartbeat might be energy overload for the part of you that fears the energy within.
Possibly, if that is the case the above is good advice too.
can fairy's get impregnated by a human
Hey there, I was giving Vampyrism a thought yesterday, because I've always wondered if I can make an aura that drains tiny amounts of energy from everything around me, without humans noticing, and actually not giving a fuck about what happens to ants (and those damned wasps).
I'd like some thoughts on that.
Also, I'd like to know if the Temple of the Vampire is to be taken seriously (about 1/3 of fringe's library on vampirysm is theirs)… for the warning they put on their books i get the idea that they're just harmless roleplayers; but I'd also like to avoid troubles. Is their warning serious? Or just some desperate/pathetic attempt to get cash?
What's the best way to travel to a previous life on my memorie by myself? Without any drugs or a 3rd person.
How can one disable someone metaphysically as in their metaphysical self and ability to prevent them from causing chaos and destruction.
Do you guys think Chaos Magick is a good way to start? Is there anything better for a beginner?
Chaos and Hermeticism are the two paths that "speak" to me, but Hermeticism I don't actually know how/where to start, practice wise
IMHO most chaos is garbage, and will most likely confound you in your search for the truth.
Hermetics: Kybalion -> Arcane Teachings -> Arcane Formulas -> Initiation into Hermetics -> pretty much anything else.
another person asked about impregnating an undine and someone said no so i'm guessing no based on that but who knows
Tell me more about this declaration of freedom, should I print it out? Should I read it allowed?
>I would recommend casting something like the Declaration of Freewill
>It will allow you maximum "metaphysical elbow room" by formally setting into place your intent to be free.
wow that is a long document.
I'll just skip it and say I agree with it.
How would someone cast something this long? Would it still work if I made a tldr out of it?
Dude you can't even impregnate a chimpanzee and you ask about non-physical beings?
You can surely produce some mental offspring that resembles their vibration rate but just going on and making a mongrel without powerful alchemy that attunes you and the magical being to the same level, accidentally cumming inside said being while on some unlikely sexual intercourse with it: no.
that chimp research didn't give us results because the monkeys kept dying.
Very unlikely unless perhaps it was another human channeling one… But if you're talking about them as energy beings, probably not.
>I'd like to know if the Temple of the Vampire is to be taken seriously
I am unfamiliar with them but after a brief overview of the site it appears to be dedicated to energy vamping aka farming/sucking loosh from others. And it is very clearly STS as well, in their manifesto it says the worship ego.
I can't really tell you if they are serious or not because they have so little information on their site and to get more you have to pay. All I'll say is this is not uncommon for STS, so it may be legit.
>Beginner starter path
Hermeticism is pretty good, it will acquaint you with many of the laws of the universe, how it works, and through that you can start to apply them.
Chaos magic basically totally ignores them and as such has a lower barrier to entry, but is less powerful (because they still shape the metaphysical currents). IMHO it's only useful if you really have problems breaking down your beliefs about reality.
Practice wise. IIH has exercises, the other first 3 that anon recommended explain the theory.
>Tell me more about this declaration of freedom
Well it's pretty self explanatory, but since it is rather lengthy I'll explain a bit. It sets clear & firm boundaries on what your freewill is, so it can not be presumed by other entities that your will was otherwise. The purpose of such is to limit STS interference in your life, realm, mind, etc. in any way, and to make null and void any agreements you may have agreed to, subconscious, semiconsciously or even consciously (if you where not fully aware of ALL implications and ramifications thereof). In doing such it can not be said that you agreed to having a demon enact a tragedy upon you because of something you did which implied X.
>should I print it out?
You can, it's not strictly necessary though.
>Should I read it allowed?
That would help when you cast it, but you could mentally cast it as well.
>How would someone cast something this long?
The same way you would any spell. It took me about 45 minuets to cast it.
>Would it still work if I made a tldr out of it?
It wouldn't work nearly as well… There are, if you search for them, declarations of sovereignty and the like online, some of them are only a few lines, some of them are only a few pages. I wanted to go all out with my personal one.
Here are some others, many of them are much shorter, but that also means they will have more loopholes in them as well.
>How can one disable someone metaphysically
Most simply, disrupt their energy flows within their body. This can be done via psychic attack or more mechanically by altering or interrupting the flows of energy like in Kyusho Jutsu.
>What's the best way to travel to a previous life on my memorie by myself?
I'm by no means an expect on this topic, but here is what I presume would work: going into a trance with the stated goal of uncovering said memories, the deeper you are, the better. It may be useful to have recording tools near by, paper/pen, maybe a voice recorder if that's more your style.
>Without any drugs or a 3rd person.
All that is achievable with either of the above is also achievable by meditation.
Does the whole idea of Avenger's past and him becoming "All World's Evil" have any significance to you, /fringe/?
How much energy can I loose if I give in and fap
like say no fap for a week and you break
could you lose a days worth of energy or all of it?
I am unfamiliar with this character.
In my experience, if I conserve it for a week and then I spill my seed it takes several days worth of loosh, but not all of it. After conserving it for a month the first time I spilled it I didn't feel that drained, but I really started to notice after the 2nd and 3rd times, even then it did not fully deplete me untill like the 5th time (over the course of a few days).
I still would recommend against wasting it at all though.
Avenger-class Servant, Angra Mainyu from the Fate/ series.
Nothing but a mundane thing. Perhaps you should leave such materialism behind and focus upon the path of enlightenment instead.
i know you know, but for those who don't
the all includes all religions and science. those are ways just as valid as any discussed here.
every area of fringe, science, religions, etc has a bunch of idiots claiming that only their way is good/true/real.
if you meet see a science-minded person dismissing religion and fringe, or a religious person dismissing science and fringe, or a fringe person dismissing science and religion, know that you see a fedora.
some choose the path of being, and perhaps not understanding how or why, but live life in the role they are given, accept it. they are parts of the all, the knowledge others seek.
others choose the bath of becoming, to change and study: they don't really know which way is right, which way to go; should they know, they wouldn't be studying. they go anyway, and change in many ways along their studies. most of them settle down with some lessons taken, and end up being; some others keep studying and changing permanently, never settling and never reaching a conclusion.
whoever you listen to, keep this in mind: every teacher is a student.
how can I get somebody over the internet to fall in love with me with magick?
I have fallen in love, and it's very painful because I know this person would never love me back the way I love them.
Would summoning a goetic spirit work for something like that? Which spirit would I evoke?
Are there any rituals I could do?
pls halp fringe
>how can I get somebody over the internet to fall in love with me with magick?
1: That is wrong, you are removing the other person's free will by shaping them to what you want.
2: If you desire a soul mate, create a sigil or go through a similar method on attracting.
>I have fallen in love, and it's very painful because I know this person would never love me back the way I love them.
1: What you are feeling is lust, not love. Love is complete acceptance through all flaws and is not an 'attaching' feeling. Lust is what you have, whether or not you deny it.
2: Forget it.
>Would summoning a goetic spirit work for something like that? Which spirit would I evoke?
1: It might possibly work, although making a sigil for attracting a soul mate would work out FAR better.
2: Since you are a newfig, you will most likely get fucked over by the spirit and loose loosh.
3: There are descriptions on ALL of the demons in the common geotia's. Its impossible to NOT find a demon if you have enough brains.
Overall, this entire question was completely mundane. I suggest you go to /library/ and read the Neophytes Gold folder and being learning magic properly and understand exactly why what you are doing is wrong.
>Are there any rituals I could do?
1: Yes, I listed them above.
>pls halp fringe
1: Mundanes are not welcome here. Either start learning magic and give up mundanity, or remove yourself from this website.
>I would recommend casting something like the Declaration of Freewill
>It's a declaration of non-consent and freewill. It may read like a contract, but speak it as though you would a spell. Yes I know, it's long, do it.
>After doing that, and making my will known to God in my own way as well it became, literally 1000 times easier to resist. I went from a daily fapper, almost cold turkey, 2 failures within a week, and going strong since. No urges what-so-ever.
How exactly does that work?Can you explain more on how to use this declaration or what is the effect of it?
Tattooing a sigil could be good?
I have a question about the first Mental Step in IIH.
Bardon speaks about 3 diferent meditations, my question is;
Should I do them all, or train each one individualy and move after attaining a certain degree of mastery?
Individualy, first observe thoughts, then discriminate thoughts between situations, then concentrate on a thought and finally, let your mind be free of them. Each takes between a week to a month to complete, if you take a lot longer, you are not doing it right.
If you have the time though, you can do the first mental exercise and the first astral one, at the "same time" and maybe add to that the first physical one, try to make it natural and organic, it has to be a part of you, not a rigid block of wood you put on your head to be like everybody else.
Bardon advises to train Mind, Astral and Physical Body at the same time…
But thanks for awnsering!
He does, that's why I do too :p
You might have misinterpreted a bit there.
What Bardon means is that you don't leave any area or your life "lag" behind, which means that you don't disrespect your body, mind or soul in the process of strengthening other.
Not that you meditate while running on a treadmill and astrally projecting at the same time.
Of course you will exercise all three parts during a day, but on different times, calmly and trying not to miss the fundamental lesson behind every step.
In meditation I think Bardon is quite straightforward:
1. Thought Control: This is meant to e mastered first, OBSERVING your thoughts, as if you were an outsider to them. Trying to understand how your train of consciousnesses works, and be able to remember how one kind of thought leads to another kind.
2. Though Discipline: Once you have already mastered the previous step, you can interact more actively with your mind. Now you must FOCUS on one specific thought and not letting go, no matter where your mind tries to stray.
3. Mastery of Thought: Now this is last, once you have mastered the previous step, not before, not in the process. Vacancy of mind, that in the end comes to be the same as step 2 but only retaining the idea "I AM" in the most basic and unadorned form possible.
Each step might take a couple weeks if done correctly (still one must insist on the "no rushing" part of this, it almost defies the objective to be urging yourself to make progress, there're like a million reasons why you might be taking more time).
Now, what I can tell you to start in advance is the rest of the Step I, which is parallel - not additive - to the mental process.
Sorry I misinterpreted, I thought because you said "you can add", that you were implying that I "diden't needed" to!
I know I'm not supposed to do everything in the same moment kind sir! I already divided a daily routine with all exercices from Step I!
My main problem was with the Mental ones, but now I know that I'm supposed to master one before going for the other instead of adding all 3 to the daily routine!
Thanks to both!
Is the /illuminati/ board here actually legit and getting use?
If so, what's the first word of the password again?
I'm pretty sure they want you to find the password on your own
>*"You have to be this psychic to enter"*
Too bad I'm not good enough for this sort of thing, from the freedomboard days I managed to figure out that the password had "light" in it but I couldn't get the right combination of the other words.
Maybe it's not worth it, maybe it is…
Let's just focus on improving ourselves for now!
I would like to have had this answer to copy and paste every time this question is asked!
Do you want it affecting you for life?
That actually sounds like a good idea to me, not that I know.
Is there any daily practice/ritual that you guys would advise adding? I'm currently working on IIH, and would know if there is anything else worth doing right now.
Also, any other books worth studying while practicing IIH?
how would one make such a sigil? I'm not the questioner, but I think having someone to ground me in real life would help.
Don't expect to be spoonfed something you can easly see for yourself… Just go a look for Magic Sigils…
I thought he was referring to some special kind of sigil, not a normal one, as a "soul mate" is a rare thing to find.
>If one person embodies all the evils of the world, the rest of the people cannot be evil, no matter what.
This is just absurd. Evil is not a quota, it's not like if you're evil some one else can't be.
>every teacher is a student.
This is very true, even the ascended masters, as awesome teachers as they are, they are still students of even greater, even if it's only God.
There are no more maps; no more creeds or philosophies. From here on in, the directions come straight form the Universe. - Akshara Noor
>how can I get somebody over the internet to fall in love with me with magick?
It's pretty ill advised, tampering with another's will. If you're just looking for love in general, that is much healthier and you can manifest that from some one else's who's will also aligns with yours instead of bending another's.
That said, this question was already asked before; you should at least control+F the thread >>130
>I have fallen in love, and it's very painful because I know this person would never love me back the way I love them.
Even if you are going to use magic on a specific individual, you need to remove the belief of
>they will never love me
because that will interference with even using magic to make them love you.
>Would summoning a goetic spirit work for something like that? Which spirit would I evoke?
I never got into Goetica so I can not comment much here, other than to take this infographic.
>Are there any rituals I could do?
I'm sure you can find some online, this one was linked in IRC the other day, not that I have done it or recommend it, just that it is an example.
>How exactly does that work?
If you read it you would understand… it works by disallowing STS interference of any kind upon:
“My living being”: all parts, aspects, manifestations, creations, emanations, and or vibration of my soul and my soul itself in any shape or form, this includes but is not limited to my physical body (my fleshly form, my human body or skin suit), my aetheric body, my astral body, my mental body, and or my causal body. Furthermore my physical body is unique and private due to my ownership of my own DNA and soul energies.
“my life”: the experience that my living being is having on Earth and or in another plane, realm, or dimension of creation. It includes but is not limited all extensions and implementations of my natural rights, my happiness, my health, my wealth, and my family and clan.
>I went from a daily fapper, almost cold turkey, 2 failures within a week, and going strong since. No urges what-so-ever.
In this specific case from succubi and kin.
>Can you explain more on how to use this declaration or what is the effect of it?
This is the same, however I will go on in brief about it. When you cast a spell, you are making your intentions known upon-to the universe, you are SPELLing it out, that is what casting or declaring your will is thus and so it starts to be(come) manifest.
>Tattooing a sigil could be good?
I suppose that depends on the nature of the sigil, just keep in mind it should be of a universally LIFELONG nature (as even things like tattoo removal do not work so well.
I personally would just use something to draw upon your skin (like a liquid ink pen or a marker), even if it's for months or years, that way there is not permanence.
I've done that and after a while what I desire to empower upon myself changes as my life does and so I change what I have inscribed upon me.
Anon summed this up nicely. Move on when you feel you have nothing more to gain from said exercise, Bardon usually sets the bar at 5 or 10 minuet intervals. I'm personally a bit more loose, and moving on when I feel confident.
>Is the /illuminati/ board here actually legit and getting use?
It's legit, its gotten some use, it will get more use with more people who are at that tier.
>If so, what's the first word of the password again?
You have to scry for it. That's the whole point, you must be a certain of spiritually grown, to prove yourself.
>Let's just focus on improving ourselves for now!
This is the whole point, it is to incentivize growth. Focus on that and it will come in time.
>Is there any daily practice/ritual that you guys would advise adding?
I'll give a basic run down of my daily practice set:
• Invoke various STO entities & God to help
• Open primary chakras
• Cleanse & attune them individually, chanting, visualizing and with a mudra for each as well
• invoking of the rays
• doing the antakarana meditations (in the meditation super thread)
• many many affirmations of varying kinds of my desires (which can be summed up as perfection and unity with the source of perfection)
Something like that is always good.
>I'm currently working on IIH, and would know if there is anything else worth doing right now.
Many of the exercises in the Book of Knowledge are great too.
>how would one make such a sigil?
Control+F, seriously it's in this very thread… >>149
Thoughts on "Kabbalah, Magic & the Great Work of Self Transformation: A Complete Course"?
>• Open primary chakras
>• Cleanse & attune them individually, chanting, visualizing and with a mudra for each as well
>• invoking of the rays
this says yam is the mantra for wind/air and maybe the reason yogis have unstable relationships, bringing that element into the heart.
What do you chant?
I used to do mantras Lam Vam Ram Yam Ham (sometimes Ksham) Om. (silence for crown if om was used for 3rd eye)
and the mudras I learned from some person at a festival, but I dunno if they're all correct.
Can you share your chakra-based techniques? I used the antakarana techs to clear them. No idea how to attune them. I'd think to visualize brightness of the color, along with the light of gold/god, white/higher-self, clear-rainbow/soul of sun/universal consciousness being brought into them.
>Do you want it affecting you for life?
Yes but as a lifelong goal, not something like "i'm loved" or "i'm rich".
>I personally would just use something to draw upon your skin (like a liquid ink pen or a marker), even if it's for months or years, that way there is not permanence.
I like the idea of tattooing a sigil. Nords did it with runes and for me they're almost the same thing.
I feel like tattooing a sigil would bring more power to it, just because i know that now (the tint) is on my blood.
We forget that a lot of cultures used tattoos as source of power, we just don't know why. (at least i don't know)
The "tint" is not on your blood friend,
the blood IS on your sigil.
And If its something that would be for life and not just temporarly achieved, I would say, DO IT!
i have fear. i fear doing rituals because of what can happen to me. i fear entities. when i try to medidate in the dark, i feel like i'm losing my mind control and i start thinking about evil entities.
can anyone tell me how to avoid this? maybe some words about entities are sufficient.
and sorry about the dumb question, i'm just trying to follow this path without many problems and a healthy mind.
just casted this. wew, that took a long while. Had to switch to mental about halfway through.
how to transmute anger?
how to overcome unwanted thoughts? I get sexual thoughts at times when near/massaging/reiki-ing people and do not desire them, and assume they're transferred to some degree which is mostly what makes me uncomfortable. I don't mind/accept having them to a slight degree.
All my life is defined by intuition.
If I want to accomplish something, I usually set my mind to it and then wait until the cosmos is aligned and my intuition tells me about the right time to do it. This way everything is effortless and feels right.
I forgot the name of this concept, but you know what I mean. It's practiced by anyone here.
Now my problem are continuous efforts. Working towards a goal over several weeks or months seems impossible.
Intuition won't guide me on such long-term projects.
Forcing myself with pure discipline feels wrong and it always backfires: I end up manipulating myself subconsciously to end up in failure.
So forming beneficial habits or acquiring expertise in some field is not possible for me.
I assumed that my life's choices are just not in alignment with my higher self so that my intuition goes "nope" on me and stalls my wrong efforts through self-manipulation.
But after suffering this shit for several years now, I start to doubt this theory. My intuition seems to be discontent with all my serious efforts and I end up failing at every one of them.
But I also I doubt that this idling existence without real progress is the interest of my higher self.
Is this just a lack of willpower?
How do I fix this shit?
I'm just 20 and i'm almost bald. Ok, that's natural.
The problem is that it's affecting my psycologic, i'm almost depressed, and please, don't say that it's just a body.
Is there any way to get some hair back? Or it's gone forever?
Ok so I see a lot of posts about people blaming their shortcomings on "entities".
And then I got the doubt myself.
>At what point you should expect "entities" to appear? When you start Goeatian summoning? When you become a worthy loosh prize?
Also feel free to tell me your first experience with an actual/visible entity.
>forming beneficial habits or acquiring expertise in some field is not possible for me.
I don't understand how that can be.
How can you sabotage simple things?
Sounds like maybe build up small habits, build will.
I'm going to project and say it's a root chakra issue. You feel secure in short term but not long term things.
the chinese say hair loss is lack of blood flow to the area.
ask an oriental medicine practicioner I'd say, or a integrative healthcare person. google. yes everything can be magically fixed, but this is the 'easy' way, to go with what already works
do >1371 and assume you're safe and protected by your higher self/STO beings, you'll be fine.
Hahahaha I don't really give a fug about said shenanigans, I don't fear them and I don't think I'll ever do it; I was just wondering on why this fear exists, and when should I expect to confront one for real.
For example you anon; when did you first encountered an external entity? Was it interested in farming you, did it get anything from you?
Do headstands, everyday, start with one minute, twice a day. Increase by one minute every following day until your hair regrows. It will happen, if you let it the time to do so and stimulate the bloodflow.
Or just ask yourself why you feel this way and solve the cause instead of dwelling over the symptoms in a sea of insecurity.
>Thoughts on "Kabbalah, Magic & the Great Work of Self Transformation: A Complete Course"?
No comment, have not read.
In light of that, I use the 7 chakra system though I know there are many many chakras. I've seen it written that there are 144,000 in total (using the definition of nadi crossings or concentrations of energy).
>What do you chant?
I've experimented with several different things, I've come upon something derived from Aum. Aum is the crown, but I noticed that if you start with a really low Au sound it rings/vibrates the root chakra and as you raise the pitch closer to the Hm sound it goes through them all.
I've tried the Lam, Vam, etc. ones, they seemed ok but not as strong. So what I use is intuitively discerned by sensing where the vocal cords induce vibrations & resonate energy otherwise I use Ohm for 3rd eye and Aum for crown.
Image 2 is what I use. Not totally intellectually sure if they are correct either, however I like 'em.
>Other chakra-based techniques
I'll use the visual of Image 3 combined with the sphere of the chakra in the center as I go through each one visualizing bright energy with the appropriate color of said chakra. After I do that then I harmonize them with one another with a simple affirmation:
Now, I ask that each chakra be filled with God's healing light, that they be perfectly balanced and attuned, that each one to another be completely integrated another as to function as one unified chakra.
>No idea how to attune them. I'd think to visualize brightness of the color, along with the light of gold/god, white/higher-self, clear-rainbow/soul of sun/universal consciousness being brought into them.
These things are not bad and not dissimilar from things I do.
>I like the idea of tattooing a sigil. Nords did it with runes and for me they're almost the same thing.
And I work with runes as pseudo tattoos like I mentioned earlier (and yes I'm a nord) however I like to be able to alter which runes are influencing me after a while.
>I feel like tattooing a sigil would bring more power to it, just because i know that now (the tint) is on my blood.
I know what you mean, the power of in our blood(line).
(And to other anon, ^ is what w/he means.)
>can anyone tell me how to avoid this [fear]?
You don't avoid it per se, you face it, you realise that it is but an illusion and it dissolves. It is something you are letting yourself feel, they may (help) put you in a certain circumstance that makes it more likely you will feel such, but the ultimate choice is yours.
Once you fully realize this, that you can feel how you wish to feel when you desire to, that you are master of yourself such limits will disappear.
I would practice steeling yourself, when you start to feel something you consider negative or undesirable step back and observe yourself and ask, if this is really the state you desire to be in and if not then alter it.
Has lots of great things to this end.
>and sorry about the dumb question
Worry not about it.
>how to transmute anger?